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    A new class EXCITING class to get bikes out there AGAIN!

    Righto Peoples - theres been allot of talk about whats wrong with this class and that class.

    QUESTION:
    How many 1990 onwards PRODUCTION 250cc 2 smokers and 400cc 4 cyl ( NOT 450's )are there out there?? and How many pre 2000 600/4s and 750/4 or 1000cc Vtwins are out there. These bikes used to be the shizzle in there day now there common and cheap!!

    SOLUTION: ( long winded but bare with me )
    F1 and F2 are dead - and sports production is becoming more and more of the way the future is heading. The problem with that is that new machines are required on a yearly basis.$$

    F3 remains, the developement of bikes can be done AWESOME!! but has been overthrown by the SV"R" strong hold - a 400cc 4 or 250 2 stroke is now useless against an SVXR ( GSXR with a twin in it ) F3 now has a 75hp buy in, thats what you need to compete - not win but be in the mix.

    Proof of this is all the people who bought SVs then realised they have to spend 20k on them to make them sporty - so begged MNZ to make a class for them..... should i ask for a Pro 400 class??

    PRE 89 is an awesome class there is so many bikes not eligible that can easily be raced!! So an idea i have come up with the FORGOTTEN ERA class.

    Rules - Regs

    All bikes production based NO GP BIKES, or HOME builds

    FORGOTTEN ERA LIGHT BIKES

    PRE 2000 250cc 2 stroke 2 cyclinder or 400cc 4 stroke 4 cyclinder machines - NO 444kits allowed.

    bikes such as RGV, NSR, RS, TZR vs ZXR, GSXR, CBR, VFR, etc

    FORGOTTEN ERA HEAVY BIKES

    PRE 2000 UPTO 500cc 2 stroke upto 4 cylinder machines, UPTO 750cc 4 cylinder machines or 1000cc 2 Cyclinder machines

    Bikes such as NS400r, Rg500, RZ500, RG400, CBr600f, R6, GSXR600, ZXR750 ZX7R, VFR750, FZR750, R7, 916, SP1, TL1000's and so on and so on.

    there are people who have awesome machines such as 92 ZXR750R ( only 4 of these made it in the country! ) but no point in racing them in F1, so of it goes into CLUBMANS WTF!!!

    what do you think?? the way to make room for it is to drop motards... but thats another argument.....
    Chappy

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    a good idea.

    Send it to MNZ or else itl end up on here being a comment only no action thread.
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    great idea

    I suggested a "classic superbike" class in another thread, sort of similar to your heavyweight class.

    sidecras should race at a gocart meeting anyway, and dirtbikes should be on the farm so, getting rid of them wuld give room for new stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neil_cb125t View Post
    Righto Peoples - theres been allot of talk about whats wrong with this class and that class.

    QUESTION:
    How many 1990 onwards PRODUCTION 250cc 2 smokers and 400cc 4 cyl ( NOT 450's )are there out there?? and How many pre 2000 600/4s and 750/4 or 1000cc Vtwins are out there. These bikes used to be the shizzle in there day now there common and cheap!!

    SOLUTION: ( long winded but bare with me )
    F1 and F2 are dead - and sports production is becoming more and more of the way the future is heading. The problem with that is that new machines are required on a yearly basis.$$

    F3 remains, the developement of bikes can be done AWESOME!! but has been overthrown by the SV"R" strong hold - a 400cc 4 or 250 2 stroke is now useless against an SVXR ( GSXR with a twin in it ) F3 now has a 75hp buy in, thats what you need to compete - not win but be in the mix.

    Proof of this is all the people who bought SVs then realised they have to spend 20k on them to make them sporty - so begged MNZ to make a class for them..... should i ask for a Pro 400 class??

    PRE 89 is an awesome class there is so many bikes not eligible that can easily be raced!! So an idea i have come up with the FORGOTTEN ERA class.

    Rules - Regs

    All bikes production based NO GP BIKES, or HOME builds

    FORGOTTEN ERA LIGHT BIKES

    PRE 2000 250cc 2 stroke 2 cyclinder or 400cc 4 stroke 4 cyclinder machines - NO 444kits allowed.

    bikes such as RGV, NSR, RS, TZR vs ZXR, GSXR, CBR, VFR, etc

    FORGOTTEN ERA HEAVY BIKES

    PRE 2000 UPTO 500cc 2 stroke upto 4 cylinder machines, UPTO 750cc 4 cylinder machines or 1000cc 2 Cyclinder machines

    Bikes such as NS400r, Rg500, RZ500, RG400, CBr600f, R6, GSXR600, ZXR750 ZX7R, VFR750, FZR750, R7, 916, SP1, TL1000's and so on and so on.

    there are people who have awesome machines such as 92 ZXR750R ( only 4 of these made it in the country! ) but no point in racing them in F1, so of it goes into CLUBMANS WTF!!!

    what do you think?? the way to make room for it is to drop motards... but thats another argument.....
    You are sooooooooo going to get da bash from the motard guys
    winding up stucky since ages ago

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    I thought pre 89 was the "forgotten era" ?
    Anyway how about just moving the pre 89 cut off to pre 99 then add a year every year to keep up ?
    Maybe call it decade (previous decade) ? or Ten Years After !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wharfy View Post
    I thought pre 89 was the "forgotten era" ?
    Anyway how about just moving the pre 89 cut off to pre 99 then add a year every year to keep up ?
    Maybe call it decade (previous decade) ? or Ten Years After !!
    The idea of posties isnt just old shit bikes that cant run with the appropriate f1, f2 and f3 classes clumped together, its for era's of motorbikes, and changing the cuttoff dates is a waste, nobody would bother putting the time money and effort to building a bike from that era, as next year it will not be as competitive.

    The cool thing about posties, is you can develop 1 bike, and not HAVE to upgrade every year to have something that is competitive in its class.If you want to do this there are plenty of other (pretty much all) classes. This idea would kill that, which would be a shame. Just wait another 10 years till there is a pre99.

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    Proposing a new class is all very well but shouldn't the first step be to see if there is actually a demand?

    It's all very well for a few people to say "Yeah that's great!" but you need commitments from people to actually compete before it's created, otherwise it's a lot of dickin' around just to find that people are full of lotsa talk and lil' action.

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    Well simply put this is Road racing, motoards is not a road racing class.

    Now there clubs starting up motard series. which is great.


    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi cowboy View Post
    You are sooooooooo going to get da bash from the motard guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benk View Post
    The idea of posties isnt just old shit bikes that cant run with the appropriate f1, f2 and f3 classes clumped together, its for era's of motorbikes, and changing the cuttoff dates is a waste, nobody would bother putting the time money and effort to building a bike from that era, as next year it will not be as competitive.

    The cool thing about posties, is you can develop 1 bike, and not HAVE to upgrade every year to have something that is competitive in its class.If you want to do this there are plenty of other (pretty much all) classes. This idea would kill that, which would be a shame. Just wait another 10 years till there is a pre99.
    When you think about it...
    1) Benk is bang on the mark around the cut off date and the reason for it and possibly the reason for much of the success in pre 82 and pre 89 (apart from reasonably cheap racing) is your bike does not become out dated each year. Cut offs exist for the grouping of age related racing by technology available in that period. Changing the date just allows later technology into an otherwise stable class and the inherent updating to keep up it brings.
    2) Slowpoke has identified the "Field of Dreams" aspect which can create a lot of work with minimal return. It always pays to ensure the market exists before launching a new product.

    Many of the bikes covered are already catered for, while the remainder are much newer and are sort of in a no mans land currently.

    By the way, Forgotten era was actually originally the name for pre82.....and is still used in Aussie for their similar age group class (pre 1980 or Period 5).

    Good to ideas on what to do coming out though, nothing like an NZ wide white board session to share ideas!

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    Creating new classes??
    You have FAR too much time on your hands Neil. Go strip down your bike and put it back together again.
    Put this time only use your left hand and your right foot to do it.
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    A way to make demand would be to remove clubmans - but that would deminish the new class to clubman status.

    I believe the real class it would hurt would be F3 as all the 400s would cross over and the 2 smokers would jump on the ban wagon!!

    but true - i will talk to my club....

    cheers for the comments.

    It's all very well for a few people to say "Yeah that's great!" but you need commitments from people to actually compete before it's created, otherwise it's a lot of dickin' around just to find that people are full of lotsa talk and lil' action.[/QUOTE]
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    Ha, yep im on my way!!

    Well im sure ill be stripping down dans on friday!!

    i dont want to touch mine!!! i may break it!! can i strip yours down!!!


    You have FAR too much time on your hands Neil. Go strip down your bike and put it back together again.
    Put this time only use your left hand and your right foot to do it.[/QUOTE]
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    Depends if you plan to strip any head bolts or break my cam caps...?
    Motorcycing is not a hobby, It is a way of life!

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    maybe - and maybe ill find 15hp....
    Chappy

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    Pfffft!
    Just needs a new power band
    I heard the are cheap overseas. Extra thick chunky ones.
    Motorcycing is not a hobby, It is a way of life!

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