A new class EXCITING class to get bikes out there AGAIN!

[FROSTY:Me]

I propoesed years ago that pre89 should be a rolling year type class. When it was started it was 10 year old bikes--so a plus10 class. No variation on the basic rules just that as the years roll on the bikes remain only 10 years old.-or older of course

[slowpoke]

If people wanna race....they will.

If they've got a race bike sitting in the shed doing nothing they obviously aren't too keen on racing.

Most of us are only out there to challenge ourselves, do a few skids, and hopefully learn a bit a long the way. It's club racing man, who gives a fuck if your bike isn't the latest and greatest.

Most of us are never gonna be anywhere near the podium regardless of what we race so what's the problem with finishing down the field? If we have no hope of winning should we all throw our hands up and chuck it in?

[(P)]

Theres classes where you can ride all the bikes you talking about no need to add more classes,

If you go making all these new classes when do you think you will actually have time in the program to put them?

get rid off sidecrass - go race at a gocart meeting
get rid of farmbikes

[Racey Rider]

Would suit me great.
I'm looking now at where to race after Streetstock. - 125's I'd love to do, but can't balance spending that sort of money on a 'Race Only' bike.

I have a road ridable RGV250, which can only go in F3/superlites.
F3 is packed out already - The RGV won't be competitive in there anyway. ????
The only negative would be the name - 'Forgotten era' doesn't sound like something that would really Grab the Sponsors.

Racey

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

I can see both pros and cons for the idea.

I have thought about this, particularily 1st gen blades/zxr750's/SRAD's etc as I have a soft spot for these old beasts. Options are clubbies or F1. There is nothing to stop anyone from having a crack at F1. A good rider may even be dicing with some fast 600's and if you were really mad/keen you could even ride to and from the track. Sure you aint gonna win but you aint gonne be last either.

[Robert Taylor]

If people wanna race....they will.

If they've got a race bike sitting in the shed doing nothing they obviously aren't too keen on racing.

Most of us are only out there to challenge ourselves, do a few skids, and hopefully learn a bit a long the way. It's club racing man, who gives a fuck if your bike isn't the latest and greatest.

Most of us are never gonna be anywhere near the podium regardless of what we race so what's the problem with finishing down the field? If we have no hope of winning should we all throw our hands up and chuck it in?

Well said, as always.

[Deano]

II have thought about this, particularily 1st gen blades/zxr750's/SRAD's etc as I have a soft spot for these old beasts. There is nothing to stop anyone from having a crack at F1. A good rider may even be dicing with some fast 600's and if you were really mad/keen you could even ride to and from the track. Sure you aint gonna win but you aint gonne be last either.

Cue Luke Mair....

[neil_cb125t]

I have no gain from this class - i ride a zxr444 so cant run in it.

Clubmans is a bull shit class - that has no meaning as i have said form the start. I also said to remove chook chasers aka motards.

I def dont want to take away any thing from F1/superbikes. i love the LG F1 race!!

maybe this would just be an antual class that could replace clubmans and be a reasonable championship - with real rules and regs to sort out the poachers??

Theres classes where you can ride all the bikes you talking about no need to add more classes, it sounds like you guys just want a class where you can get a trophy. If thats the case race clubmen...

If you go making all these new classes when do you think you will actually have time in the program to put them?

If these classes were actually added they would be run combined with say superbikes due to time constraints and you would just get pointed seperatly. The only difference being you can say i got 1st instead of 10th

[Drew]

Why is it, that a common response to the falling numbers in NZ motorcycling, is "lets add a class for (insert some random demographic here)"?

For fuck sake, we have more classes now than ever before, and numbers are lower than 5 years ago still.

You got something in the shed you wanna ride, and not get embarraced? Harden the fuck up, and have a go anyway, chances are you'll impress people no matter how you finish.

You think Superbike is dying? I know of three people on them this year, that were not a year ago. And that's just at Vic club.

I oppose your suggestion, and would petition MNZ to do the same.

[Whitebait]

Like t3mp0r4ry nzr I can see the pro's and con's.

Good on ya Neil for trying to think up new ways to include people.

My take on it is that as a country we should be breeding faster riders not faster bikes not finding more room for uncompeditive bikes. Cool we could make heaps of classes for middle aged guys with lots of cash but what about the young fellas with lots of tallent on average bikes.

Why not homologate the classes that we have rather than adding more classes so someone else gets a trophy.

I've already experienced that people aren't happy if you beat them on average stuff............the little NSR in Posties has been ruffling a few feathers.

Yet my near stock '91 NSR is like a nifty fifty compared to your '89 ZXR450RRR............

[Drew]

Righto Peoples - theres been allot of talk about whats wrong with this class and that class.

Has there? I haven't heard much talk about classes at all.

SOLUTION: ( long winded but bare with me )
F1 and F2 are dead - and sports production is becoming more and more of the way the future is heading. The problem with that is that new machines are required on a yearly basis.$$

To run at the front, you have always needed modern machinery. And racers have been broke since the inception of the sport.

Proof of this is all the people who bought SVs then realised they have to spend 20k on them to make them sporty - so begged MNZ to make a class for them..... should i ask for a Pro 400 class??

Not really how it went. You wanna run a formula class, you best be prepared to wank your bike. Anyone dumb enough to buy an SV of the shop floor, and think they'd keep up, deserves what they got.

what do you think?? the way to make room for it is to drop motards... but thats another argument.....

Motards, has a huge following in Europe. Why not give kiwi's a chance to learn a bit about it, and perhaps produce a big international name?


Simply put, there are not enough tracks, or enough meetings, for every bike ever sold can run competitively.

[Billy]

Well said,Couldnt have put it better myself.There are now 18 classes available too race in as opposed to 8 back in the late eighties/early nineties when the feilds were big,Go figure

[roadracingoldfart]

I would like to ask if anybody (apart from Billy ) that can recite what F1 and F2 actually stands for .
We dont have those classes now in reality . What we have are Production Superstock (or Street Stock type ) classes .
Somebody here (CHOPPA i think ) stated there is a class for every bike mentioned. Where would a TZ350 or RG500 RZ500 NS 400 fit in ?? they cant enter P/C and they cant do anygood at all in Superbike.
F1 would accomodate them in club rounds but if the idea is to get a class that can be transfered into the Nats then i say lets look into it with a clear head and if it goes against somebodys ideas of what racing is but can be good for the sport as a specticle then those somebodys have to suck it and see.

If a modern 600 was allowed to be hot rodded to fir a class it could also cross enter into superbike and be in with a chance.

There is no easy answer but i agree with looking at the possibility of creating a new class especially if it combines an existing class to make the grids a bit fuller. F3 would be considerably smaller without Pro Twins combined but if Pro Twins were in a smaller supersport race then they would be in good even company.
But really , what the fuck would i know anyhow.

[koba]

I am going to propose an NC21 only class to Vic Club Next year.

I have seen heaps go for under 2 grand on trademe, they seem to have crept up a bit in asking price latley but it is still generally sub 3k for a realistic price.

Seriously tho Neil, Good on you for thinking of ways to futher the sport and all that but I just don't think its a great idea.

[Drew]

But really , what the fuck would i know anyhow.

When it comes to putting together a season of events, what would you know bro? That's not a dig.

You have raced a long time, what's missing now, that wasn't in the hay day? More classes?