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    Quote Originally Posted by Racey Rider View Post
    RGV250, which can only go in F3/superlites.
    F3 is packed out already - The RGV won't be competitive in there anyway. ????[/COLOR]
    Only one way to find out!
    I think you would get along on it OK at least.





    Quote Originally Posted by Whitebait View Post
    Good on ya Neil for trying to think up new ways to include people.
    Like motards and Clubmans racers?

    Quote Originally Posted by neil_cb125t View Post
    Yep, the problem is street stock is falling away - dont get me wrong i LOVED that class. But bottom line those bikes arent being maid any more - i bought my 150 for $900 now you'll pay over $1500for one!!
    $1500 a competitive race bike for a grand and a half? however will road racing survive in New Zealand!

    Seriously again tho, thats still cheap as shit with cheap running costs and good steady resale value. (if you don't fuck it)

    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    You got something in the shed you wanna ride, and not get embarraced? Harden the fuck up, and have a go anyway, chances are you'll impress people no matter how you finish.
    Aye!
    After streetstock I'm going to give the VFR a good thrashing, I'm under no illusions that it is going to be a slow bike.
    The race for me is going to be against other bike/rider combos of similar speed. If I beat a ZXR on radials I'm going to have quite a celebatory time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roadracingoldfart View Post
    Where would a TZ350 or RG500 RZ500 NS 400 fit in ?? they cant enter P/C and they cant do anygood at all in Superbike.
    All those bikes you mention are Post classic Pre82/89 eligible and a class is run at Vic Club (and others) the NZPCRA also run their own yearly GP meeting
    "If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."


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    i suggest taking this to the vic club or similar and get it running at club meets. its aimed at club racers and outside nationals who cares what mnz thinks about it.

    ive often thought a pre 00 class would be good but itd become dated and prob still lead to eventual bitching. i wonder how hard it would be to set up a class based solely on weight. basically take a engine capacity and give it a minimum weight. kitchen scales and bob's your uncle. you could race anything but if the weights were set to bias against newer machinery itd be cool. just an idea. i love watchin racing with the nimble wee bike vs the grunty bastard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    All those bikes you mention are Post classic Pre82/89 eligible and a class is run at Vic Club (and others) the NZPCRA also run their own yearly GP meeting


    So you are saying i can race a 4 cylinder two stroke in P/C senior .

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadracingoldfart View Post
    So you are saying i can race a 4 cylinder two stroke in P/C senior .

    Yes, and you've been able to since Pre89 came along
    "If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    When it comes to putting together a season of events, what would you know bro? That's not a dig.

    You have raced a long time, what's missing now, that wasn't in the hay day? More classes?

    Its not taken as a dig but .... i dont understand the question Drew.

    I have been deeply involved in seasons race programs in the past as a committe member and as a compettitor , now im doing it as a mentor .
    Whats missing now is a hard question to answer , if in fact there is anything missing .
    We had more clubs running events in the " Hay Days ", Vic Club , Hvmcc , Kapiti , Masterton etc and thats just in the Welly area , plus we had riders that only did select types of meetings only , it may have been Street meets , endurance, or proddy , or Formula classes . Then you had the likes of Rob Holden that did them all but he was a freak. So there wasnt overfull meetings due to the certain niche we all fitted into.
    There was even car clubs that had bike sessions during thier racing and that was kind of cool (if the antifreeze didnt get you) .

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadracingoldfart View Post
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    Somebody here (CHOPPA i think ) stated there is a class for every bike mentioned. Where would a TZ350 or RG500 RZ500 NS 400 fit in ?? they cant enter P/C and they cant do anygood at all in Superbike. a .
    Thats my point, theres a class for every bike but just because chances are you cant win then people wont race? The thing is even if they were riding Craigs bike they still wouldnt beat him.

    Clubmens is a good class and its there for to get people started.

    Im going to get an old kx500 to race MX, i prob wont win but ill have a shit load of fun trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wharfy View Post
    I thought pre 89 was the "forgotten era" ?
    Anyway how about just moving the pre 89 cut off to pre 99 then add a year every year to keep up ?
    Maybe call it decade (previous decade) ? or Ten Years After !!
    There is only 8 or 9 pre89 seniors in winter series.
    Adding similar classes is just going to weeken what your already trying to build up.
    Adding a moving qualify date just means you got to keep upgrading to play the game.
    idd rather build mine up to get it as fast as possible then race it till it expires altogether.Hope thats a long way off.
    pre 89 can get some good kit and the racings fun and not to expensive.
    Clubmans is your odd ball bike and entry level before moving into classes or for those that want to race just for the sake of it.

    Anymore classes and we will be doing 2 or 3 lap sprints because there just is not the time in a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHOPPA View Post
    Thats my point, theres a class for every bike but just because chances are you cant win then people wont race? The thing is even if they were riding Craigs bike they still wouldnt beat him.

    Clubmens is a good class and its there for to get people started.

    Im going to get an old kx500 to race MX, i prob wont win but ill have a shit load of fun trying.

    Dont misunderstand my post , i agree with clubmans and even rode in it myself a few years ago (Ahemm sorry ) but i had been away for a couple of years and didnt know if i could still do it , well i could so that was good, history i guess.
    When i started racing i had to do B & C grades before i could graduate lol , and i failed school cert too !! clubmans replaced that structure , sort of.
    Craig is a god and i have said that so no argument there from me , riders like him are awesome to watch and Russell Josiah is going to kick a few bumms soon to on return i hope. some riders will always do well on any bike but they are the exception to the rule .
    If the race licence wasnt such an easy thing to get , (all you need to do is pay money ) then the classes available would also be differant in their structure.
    Surely part of cementing a good recipe is to suggest an option ?? then it can be either picked up or pushed aside. I dont see any idea as a bad idea , its just thinking aloud aye.

    Just for the record , i crushed 2 fingers today under a car when a jack failed so this typing shit is such a pain, litterally.
    my fingers are really really sore and im going to bed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadracingoldfart View Post
    Surely part of cementing a good recipe is to suggest an option ?? then it can be either picked up or pushed aside. I dont see any idea as a bad idea , its just thinking aloud aye.
    The option has been implimented in the past, with all the extra classes we have now. Not including Motards, that came from abroad, just as it should have.

    It aint working, move on to different options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadracingoldfart View Post
    Surely part of cementing a good recipe is to suggest an option ?? then it can be either picked up or pushed aside. I dont see any idea as a bad idea , its just thinking aloud aye.
    Very true.

    Neil, on re-reading my posts I may sound like I'm being a dick.
    I dissagree with the idea in the current situation of road racing and mean all comments in a constructive way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roadracingoldfart View Post
    F3 would be considerably smaller without Pro Twins combined but if Pro Twins were in a smaller supersport race then they would be in good even company.
    Pro twins are better left with F3 aren't they ? My SV is not in good company against late model 600's at all. The speed differential is huge.

    F3 bikes have potential to be faster (read hotted up) than pro twins as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roadracingoldfart View Post
    Surely part of cementing a good recipe is to suggest an option ?? then it can be either picked up or pushed aside. I dont see any idea as a bad idea , its just thinking aloud aye.
    To be honest, it was Neil's slagging off of SV's in post 1 that rarked me up. To suggest that they have ruined F3 is utter shite, although he isn't the only person I have heard say this. Most are little more than pro twin bikes in terms of HP - the most common upgrade is a Gixxer front end.

    By Neil's logic, the 450's (and the likes of the Tigcraft) ruined the class a long time ago - ok - he is advocating they be removed as well but why get so snitchy about SV's in particular ? And isn't he proposing to "go crying to MNZ" with this proposal.......pot/kettle.

    Did SV riders actually go crying to MNZ for pro twin class a while back ? Or was the class implemented due to it's success abroad, and is actually a pretty close resemblance to Tim Gibbes SV class, what, 10 years ago ?

    In terms of Vic Club - fields are full and we don't get many races because of so many classes. If Neil is talking about the Nats, why suggest this new class would be for people returning to, or just starting out in racing ? They are unlikely to enter the Nats are they ?
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    Sorry peps - ill take a breathe

    HMMMM i thinks 2 things ave happened

    A} not quite grasped MY TAKE of the class
    B} think i want it to replace F3


    SORRY NOT WHAT I MEANT

    A} i was looking for a class that is basically postclassics but up to 2000. to enable a 10year bracket of bikes to ride.

    IE by the rule book mr Masons 91 NSR250 is not elligible FOR POSTCLASSICS AT THE MO!!. but suits the class perfectly.

    B} F3 is were racing is at i love it, im of to the Nats - EVEN THE MISSUS IS LETTING ME!! developing a bike and growing on it, ive only just this year started feel like im controlling what the hell im doing.

    The problem with posties is there is no exclusion of GP bikes - other wise we could add it ( even more classes i know ) to posties -- throwing more bike in the mix to mossey to race against either in his class or not. It would suit the way posties is - which is developing machines and simply staying within a cc rating.
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    By Neil's logic, the 450's (and the likes of the Tigcraft) ruined the class a long time ago - ok - he is advocating they be removed as well but why get so snitchy about SV's in particular ? And isn't he proposing to "go crying to MNZ" with this proposal.......pot/kettle.

    from what i know....Svs were introduced - but kept fairly stock. then the rent an SV dream feel flat - causing all those who owned them to say well can we still run them. the ruling added them in but removed modding limits. It was then that 450ing was allowed for the 4 cyls to come back to level.

    I will eat my words and say i think that we are nearly equal - i suppose if the GW SVR didnt exist people would not be jealous ( incl me ) of them. Its just the best F3 machine there is - i priced up the carbon rims on that thing for my machine:

    I totally agree with the tigcraft!! i dont see how it legal the first sentance of the F3 rules is The Formula 3 Championship class will exist primarily for Production Based machines.

    i think i need to take a reality check as you would need to spend $$$ on a sv to get it towards a great 444cc aka a bollwell machine or ozzy 450

    My idea was for those wanting to step from Street stock to someting that wasn't 600ss. a protwin bike will set u back 8-10k. a 400 or 2 smoker or old 750 half that. and thats what got me thinking.
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