A new class EXCITING class to get bikes out there AGAIN!

[neil_cb125t]

ALL Gud i too am rethinking some of my posts!!

Only one way to find out!
I think you would get along on it OK at least.







Like motards and Clubmans racers?



$1500 a competitive race bike for a grand and a half? however will road racing survive in New Zealand!

Seriously again tho, thats still cheap as shit with cheap running costs and good steady resale value. (if you don't fuck it)



Aye!
After streetstock I'm going to give the VFR a good thrashing, I'm under no illusions that it is going to be a slow bike.
The race for me is going to be against other bike/rider combos of similar speed. If I beat a ZXR on radials I'm going to have quite a celebatory time.

[neil_cb125t]

Homologation..... hmm i have done some thinking about that.. why not throw posties up to 2000 - that way your 1991 nsr would be legal......you'll have to do some serious research as the mc18 was the last model made in 1989..

from what i could find.

Like t3mp0r4ry nzr I can see the pro's and con's.

Good on ya Neil for trying to think up new ways to include people.

My take on it is that as a country we should be breeding faster riders not faster bikes not finding more room for uncompeditive bikes. Cool we could make heaps of classes for middle aged guys with lots of cash but what about the young fellas with lots of tallent on average bikes.

Why not homologate the classes that we have rather than adding more classes so someone else gets a trophy.

I've already experienced that people aren't happy if you beat them on average stuff............the little NSR in Posties has been ruffling a few feathers.

Yet my near stock '91 NSR is like a nifty fifty compared to your '89 ZXR450RRR............

[neil_cb125t]

but yes she is running well - its all possible - i knew of a Rs250 aprilia that had 75hp at the rear - that would take me for a run!!

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

All good thinkinh Neil. I tend to agree about letting more models into posties and liberating the rules in regards in regards to 2 strokes generally. The added variety would only make the racing more interesting.

Your lil rocket should do well against the other top F3 bikes but at the end of the day it is still a money game and those who spend more will invaribly go faster. Ive finally conceded to this idea.

[Billy]

By Neil's logic, the 450's (and the likes of the Tigcraft) ruined the class a long time ago - ok - he is advocating they be removed as well but why get so snitchy about SV's in particular ? And isn't he proposing to "go crying to MNZ" with this proposal.......pot/kettle.



I totally agree with the tigcraft!! i dont see how it legal the first sentance of the F3 rules is The Formula 3 Championship class will exist primarily for Production Based machines.

If you say that last paragraph too yourself often enough you will work it out,But let me speed up the process for you.The rule reads Primarily NOT exclusively.

The absolute last thing the sport needs is yet another class too pander to a bunch of wannabes who probably never will.If the people with these bikes really wanted too go racing,They would be already on those bikes pointed out by you in your original post.Example being Brian Bernard,Rodney Knapp,Nathan Spargo,Andrew Stroud,Jeff McLaren,Aaron Slight and a whole bunch of other guys managed too do 1.12s or better on standard GSXR 1100S/FZR1000S back in the eighties all on roadrubber and with NO fancy suspenders,Warren Turner managed 1.12s on his FZR600 F2 bike in the same era and so on.So its not that the bikes cant be competitive at club level

[codgyoleracer]

If you say that last paragraph too yourself often enough you will work it out,But let me speed up the process for you.The rule reads Primarily NOT exclusively.

The absolute last thing the sport needs is yet another class too pander to a bunch of wannabes who probably never will.If the people with these bikes really wanted too go racing,They would be already on those bikes pointed out by you in your original post.Example being Brian Bernard,Rodney Knapp,Nathan Spargo,Andrew Stroud,Jeff McLaren,Aaron Slight and a whole bunch of other guys managed too do 1.12s or better on standard GSXR 1100S/FZR1000S back in the eighties all on roadrubber and with NO fancy suspenders,Warren Turner managed 1.12s on his FZR600 F2 bike in the same era and so on.So its not that the bikes cant be competitive at club level

Yeah the "primarily wording" is the thing keeps the bikes in this class being developed & the class what it is ...the [U]very last formula class[U] around. It is surprising what you can build and for what price (see Ozzy450 for reference, - a good idea, pretty cheap but very competitve)
The Tiggy is a "special" - but in the essence of the class fits right in and adds a lot of spice.
And BTW - A good 450 - blows my tractor into the weeds (in a straightline) no question!. The SV seemed the best base unit to start with when i got into it & i have slowly added bits to it over each season (still waaaay less than building a 600 or Sbk though). if i were to do it again - i would seriously look at another option.

Hopefully we see a few more triples & trick singles, 450's and twins turning up for nationals and great to hear you will be doing them neil - nationals are the ultimate test in New Zealand and worth striving for success in.


GlenW

[scrivy]

get rid off sidecrass - go race at a gocart meeting
get rid of farmbikes

O o o... I know, I know.......

I'll put knobblies on my sidecrass - that way I can fuck off with the motards and race in the dirt!

Really, thinking about it, it might just work - afterall, I am a dirty bastard!!!

[scrivy]

get rid off sidecrass - go race at a gocart meeting
get rid of farmbikes

oh, (p), dont forget to also get rid of the F3 bikes - they can race with the buckets,
and F1 can race with the World Superbikes,
Clubmans can just race on the road,
and F2..... well, they can run with the new MotoGP2 class.

Right, that's the dwindling Nationals f@cked!

Time to go racing in the bigger Tri-Series!!! Yeeha!!

Or am I missing your point??????

[Whitebait]

Homologation..... hmm i have done some thinking about that.. why not throw posties up to 2000 - that way your 1991 nsr would be legal......you'll have to do some serious research as the mc18 was the last model made in 1989..

from what i could find.

Your right the MC18 was made in 1989 but the MC21 was released in 1989 as the new model for 1990.

I have done my research and my friend in Japan (Who works for one one of the largest bike shop's) has verified this for me.

I know it's off topic but how many different variations of ZXR and VFR are there??

The NSR got slower as it got newer.........the MC18 had 4 mor HP than the MC21.............4HP..........thats almost as much most of the suzuki's have........

[koba]

Example being Brian Bernard,Rodney Knapp,Nathan Spargo,Andrew Stroud,Jeff McLaren,Aaron Slight and a whole bunch of other guys managed too do 1.12s or better on standard GSXR 1100S/FZR1000S back in the eighties all on roadrubber and with NO fancy suspenders,Warren Turner managed 1.12s on his FZR600 F2 bike in the same era and so on.So its not that the bikes cant be competitive at club level

Damn thats fast!

Yeah the "primarily wording" is the thing keeps the bikes in this class being developed & the class what it is ...the [U]very last formula class[U] around.

Hey, don't forget F4 and 5!

The Tiggy is a "special" - but in the essence of the class fits right in and adds a lot of spice.

The variety is what makes Formula 3 an awesome class.

[Robert Taylor]

If you say that last paragraph too yourself often enough you will work it out,But let me speed up the process for you.The rule reads Primarily NOT exclusively.

The absolute last thing the sport needs is yet another class too pander to a bunch of wannabes who probably never will.If the people with these bikes really wanted too go racing,They would be already on those bikes pointed out by you in your original post.Example being Brian Bernard,Rodney Knapp,Nathan Spargo,Andrew Stroud,Jeff McLaren,Aaron Slight and a whole bunch of other guys managed too do 1.12s or better on standard GSXR 1100S/FZR1000S back in the eighties all on roadrubber and with NO fancy suspenders,Warren Turner managed 1.12s on his FZR600 F2 bike in the same era and so on.So its not that the bikes cant be competitive at club level

The difference beween 12s and 6s is 6 seconds per lap, 6 seconds per lap is like the difference between the 19th century and the 21st century. Its achieved by much better frames, wider and stickier tyres, much more horsepower and those ''fancy suspenders'' that some love to denigrate. ITS CALLED PROGRESS!!!!

Try running stock suspension on a 160bhp out of the box 1000cc class machine and see how long it takes to burn up the tyres, also evidence the visible pitch control issues.

Each to their own, if people want to run stock suspension let them, if they want to run ''fancy suspenders'' let them. Just dont let the politics of envy intervene.

[Robert Taylor]

oh, (p), dont forget to also get rid of the F3 bikes - they can race with the buckets,
and F1 can race with the World Superbikes,
Clubmans can just race on the road,
and F2..... well, they can run with the new MotoGP2 class.

Right, that's the dwindling Nationals f@cked!

Time to go racing in the bigger Tri-Series!!! Yeeha!!

Or am I missing your point??????

Scrivvy I think your series demonstrates very clearly that the Nationals is actually not so much about diluting the allowable machine specification. Its more about the costs of travel, accomodation and time away etc.
Your format appears to have hit the nail on the head of how a series should be organised and how to attract numbers. That Suzuki NZ is now majorly backing it is a strong indicator and also is a none too subtle reminder that MNZ has got a lot of mending to do re relationships with the main distributors.

[Drew]

Example being Brian Bernard,Rodney Knapp,Nathan Spargo,Andrew Stroud,Jeff McLaren,Aaron Slight and a whole bunch of other guys managed too do 1.12s or better on standard GSXR 1100S/FZR1000S back in the eighties all on roadrubber and with NO fancy suspenders,Warren Turner managed 1.12s on his FZR600 F2 bike in the same era and so on.So its not that the bikes cant be competitive at club level

To be fair though mate, Manfield was quite a different track then. There were no joins in the seal to begin with, or pot holes around the braking point for Higgins. Those same guys with head wrapped around current machines with flash suspension, on the track like it was then, I'm pretty sure would be around the minute mark.

[Billy]

To be fair though mate, Manfield was quite a different track then. There were no joins in the seal to begin with, or pot holes around the braking point for Higgins. Those same guys with head wrapped around current machines with flash suspension, on the track like it was then, I'm pretty sure would be around the minute mark.

I would disagree with you RE the track condition as would most people who were riding back then.However I would agree the rest of your post.You would be right on the mark,But the point I was making was those bikes are still capable in the right hands with a bit of fettling at club level rather than starting a whole new class as was suggested by the thread originator

[Deano]

Homologation..... hmm i have done some thinking about that.. why not throw posties up to 2000 - that way your 1991 nsr would be legal......you'll have to do some serious research as the mc18 was the last model made in 1989..

from what i could find.

but yes she is running well - its all possible - i knew of a Rs250 aprilia that had 75hp at the rear - that would take me for a run!!

So how would the 91 NSR go against a 99 Aprilia ? If the differential is a lot...and I'm guessing it is, won't you need yet another class ?