A new class EXCITING class to get bikes out there AGAIN!

[Billy]

The difference beween 12s and 6s is 6 seconds per lap, 6 seconds per lap is like the difference between the 19th century and the 21st century. Its achieved by much better frames, wider and stickier tyres, much more horsepower and those ''fancy suspenders'' that some love to denigrate. ITS CALLED PROGRESS!!!!

Try running stock suspension on a 160bhp out of the box 1000cc class machine and see how long it takes to burn up the tyres, also evidence the visible pitch control issues.

Each to their own, if people want to run stock suspension let them, if they want to run ''fancy suspenders'' let them. Just dont let the politics of envy intervene.

And WTF has any of that got to do with needing a new class at club level for bikes that are capable in the right hands ????

[Robert Taylor]

And WTF has any of that got to do with needing a new class at club level for bikes that are capable in the right hands ????

It was about the inference and I felt that some clarification was required. Just being picky, nothing more.

[Whitebait]

So how would the 91 NSR go against a 99 Aprilia ? If the differential is a lot...and I'm guessing it is, won't you need yet another class ?

A good '91 NSR V's a good '99 Prilia would be a fair match.

The Aprilia 250 has some nice stuff on it USD forks and stuff but the motors were based on RGV250 motors...........so they're never gonna match the far more advanced Honda engine.

I don't know why they called them a RS250 we all know what the real RS250 is.

Surely we all know why Robert Taylor wants every class to have unrestricted suspension............"Exclusive NZ distributor for Ohlins Racing AB Sweden

Master Race Tech Centre for NZ"...........anyone else pick up on that???

[Deano]

A good '91 NSR V's a good '99 Prilia would be a fair match.

The Aprilia 250 has some nice stuff on it USD forks and stuff but the motors were based on RGV250 motors...........so they're never gonna match the far more advanced Honda engine.

Really - I thought a 99 Prilla would eat a 91 2 stroke ? You sound like a man after my own heart. I lurve NSR's. My 86 NSR was as quick as an 89 RGV but I thought it was just down to the pilot.

How about a 91 CBR400 vs a 99 CBR400 ? Is there that little difference across the spectrum of bikes in 8 years that they would all be competitive against one another ?

I mean, Luke Mair did bloody well on a 96 SRAD 750 to finish top 15 in SBK, but that was definitely down to the pilot. Given a 2006, he would have been a shoe in for top 10 and very likely higher.

[KS34]

Quote:Surely we all know why Robert Taylor wants every class to have unrestricted suspension............"Exclusive NZ distributor for Ohlins Racing AB Sweden

Master Race Tech Centre for NZ"...........anyone else pick up on that???Quote:

What is it with the constent bashing of Robert Taylors opinions. We all know what he does! If you were in his position (from a knowledge point of veiw) and people were banging on about using standard stuff that wont cut the mustard for alot of reasons, would you just sit down and shut up? I would not. And dont forget the man puts alot of free time and info into the sport! Do you know any other sport that has a supplier of the top kit giving away free time and info even if you dont use his product, or offer a cheaper solution. I am not RT's PR man but give the "pushing product" shit a rest, in my opinion CKT and RT are far too valuable in this sport to take cheap shots. Watch what happens to the sport if he changes his business from passion based to running it for the dollar!

[Deano]

What is it with the constent bashing of Robert Taylors opinions. We all know what he does! If you were in his position (from a knowledge point of veiw) and people were banging on about using standard stuff that wont cut the mustard for alot of reasons, would you just sit down and shut up? I would not. And dont forget the man puts alot of free time and info into the sport! Do you know any other sport that has a supplier of the top kit giving away free time and info even if you dont use his product, or offer a cheaper solution. I am not RT's PR man but give the "pushing product" shit a rest, in my opinion CKT and RT are far too valuable in this sport to take cheap shots. Watch what happens to the sport if he changes his business from passion bassed to running it for the dollar!

I agree Ken.

Robert's pricing seems pretty reasonable to me and his back up service is impeccable.

Dr Bob is also willing to share his knowledge, not just tweak your suspenders without explaining why....unlike some Dickics (sic).

Jarrod Wintle biffed an SV hard and couldn't understand why....I put it down to suspension.

[mossy1200]

I agree Ken.

Robert's pricing seems pretty reasonable to me and his back up service is impeccable.

Dr Bob is also willing to share his knowledge, not just tweak your suspenders without explaining why....unlike some Dickics (sic).

Jarrod Wintle biffed an SV hard and couldn't understand why....I put it down to suspension.

I only met the guy once so cant say i know him but I would have thought that we were lucky to have his time and knowledge around full stop.if there was no ohlins rep on hand you would be buying online and have no back up support.Dogging someone is just pushing them into a shell and he will soon start to support customers only.No free advice at all.Of course he will push his product and its most likely because he believes in what he sells.One day ill need to see him and i hope he is still around.

[Whitebait]

Quote:Surely we all know why Robert Taylor wants every class to have unrestricted suspension............"Exclusive NZ distributor for Ohlins Racing AB Sweden

Master Race Tech Centre for NZ"...........anyone else pick up on that???Quote:

What is it with the constent bashing of Robert Taylors opinions. We all know what he does! If you were in his position (from a knowledge point of veiw) and people were banging on about using standard stuff that wont cut the mustard for alot of reasons, would you just sit down and shut up? I would not. And dont forget the man puts alot of free time and info into the sport! Do you know any other sport that has a supplier of the top kit giving away free time and info even if you dont use his product, or offer a cheaper solution. I am not RT's PR man but give the "pushing product" shit a rest, in my opinion CKT and RT are far too valuable in this sport to take cheap shots. Watch what happens to the sport if he changes his business from passion based to running it for the dollar!

I wasn't BASHING..........sorry Robert if it sounded that way!
I've bought bits from him in the past and will buy bits in the future.

I just thought it was funny!

It's a rough time of year down these ways.........the outdoors runs out and we move into the more potent indoor stuff.........

Re: Deano

I've yet to meet a RS250 on the track that I could compare my bike against I had a good run with a late model RGV and it was pretty even but that was before my bike got the HRC cataloge chucked at it.......

[roadracingoldfart]

The difference beween 12s and 6s is 6 seconds per lap, 6 seconds per lap is like the difference between the 19th century and the 21st century. Its achieved by much better frames, wider and stickier tyres, much more horsepower and those ''fancy suspenders'' that some love to denigrate. ITS CALLED PROGRESS!!!!

Try running stock suspension on a 160bhp out of the box 1000cc class machine and see how long it takes to burn up the tyres, also evidence the visible pitch control issues.

Each to their own, if people want to run stock suspension let them, if they want to run ''fancy suspenders'' let them. Just dont let the politics of envy intervene.

I agree but its not a hard n fast requirment to have Ohlins or whatever under you . I have a team member that smashed 7 secs of Taupo lap times and didnt change the bike . Experiance learnt helped and yes before you state it , i suppose a further gain can be made from changing the shock etc..........

[Robert Taylor]

Thanks for the comments guys. I guess if you stick your head above the trenches and are not afraid to express an opinion from another perspective you are going to get it blown off every now and then. Some of the comment is almost vindictive, some of it good natured ( as has happened here )
Ohlins is also a victim of its own success worldwide and it worries me in fact that high quallity competitors they have ( such as WP ) seem to be getting weaker.
Ironically if ( heaven forbid ) the rules were changed to stock based suspension for all classes my business would likely be busier. But certainly not for the ''right'' reasons. I will elaborate in detail in a day or two.

[scracha]

And WTF has any of that got to do with needing a new class at club level for bikes that are capable in the right hands ????

I still think Neil's intention is bang on. It's not 'just another class to make my bike more competitive'. It's covering a lot of very good bikes over a huge age range that are currently excluded.

As for another class, how about dropping some of the dead classes?

How many pre82 bikes were at the last meeting? Combined senior + junior = 3.
The supermotards we keep hearing about? 7
125's.. 9

So if a new class can attract say...15 confirmed entrants then surely democracy rules.

I'm glad pro-twins is attracting more bikes tho'.

[Drew]

As for another class, how about dropping some of the dead classes?

How many pre82 bikes were at the last meeting? Combined senior + junior = 3.
The supermotards we keep hearing about? 7
125's.. 9

And how many Motards, and pre '82 bikes were at Pearoa, and Wanganui? HEAPS more than pre '89 my friend.

[Chrislost]

Proposing a new class is all very well but shouldn't the first step be to see if there is actually a demand?

It's all very well for a few people to say "Yeah that's great!" but you need commitments from people to actually compete before it's created, otherwise it's a lot of dickin' around just to find that people are full of lotsa talk and lil' action.

1) go to the track.
2) look at all the 400/250s that are battling away at the back of F3 / mid - front posties jnr


Id enter, i know at least 5 others that would.

[mossy1200]

I still think Neil's intention is bang on. It's not 'just another class to make my bike more competitive'. It's covering a lot of very good bikes over a huge age range that are currently excluded.

As for another class, how about dropping some of the dead classes?

How many pre82 bikes were at the last meeting? Combined senior + junior = 3.
The supermotards we keep hearing about? 7
125's.. 9

So if a new class can attract say...15 confirmed entrants then surely democracy rules.

I'm glad pro-twins is attracting more bikes tho'.

dropping pre 82 will do nothing to anything.Logic says they will just enter under pre89 entries.they will still be on the start grid sitting in the same position they would have just called pre89.

[Billy]

I still think Neil's intention is bang on. It's not 'just another class to make my bike more competitive'. It's covering a lot of very good bikes over a huge age range that are currently excluded.

As for another class, how about dropping some of the dead classes?

How many pre82 bikes were at the last meeting? Combined senior + junior = 3.
The supermotards we keep hearing about? 7
125's.. 9

So if a new class can attract say...15 confirmed entrants then surely democracy rules.

Yip,Good point,Problem being,The reason a lot of the pre 82 guys arent bothering is cause theyre bikes arent competitive with the pre 89s and as youve seen on this thread already some of the pre89 guys are questioning how competitive theyre bikes would be in this new class.Maybe thats the reason the Post Classic register has held back with the introduction of pre89.