A new class EXCITING class to get bikes out there AGAIN!

[mossy1200]

Yip,Good point,Problem being,The reason a lot of the pre 82 guys arent bothering is cause theyre bikes arent competitive with the pre 89s and as youve seen on this thread already some of the pre89 guys are questioning how competitive theyre bikes would be in this new class.Maybe thats the reason the Post Classic register has held back with the introduction of pre89.

Hang on though if you look at the front rows of the typical start grid in the winter vmmc series its 50%pre82 methonal big bore bikes.EG Shaun Donnely,Paul Brigham are the only guys that can match and beat Paul Wootens gsxr1100 or Martin Cox's fzr1000.They all run 1.16s and 1.15s at manfield.
Shauns bike is being rebuilt at the moment and Paul was at the event watching and will race round three by the sounds of it
Im not at all against fireblades and yzfs racing each other but its the tail end of postclassic that gets bumped into clubmans through not qualifing that suffers.bring in faster bikes is saying to these guys upgrade or bugger off.
Last year we had 37 qualifing with 35 avaliable as it is at one event.lack of wets could be disaster for a points contender etc.

[Drew]

Yip,Good point,Problem being,The reason a lot of the pre 82 guys arent bothering is cause theyre bikes arent competitive with the pre 89s and as youve seen on this thread already some of the pre89 guys are questioning how competitive theyre bikes would be in this new class.Maybe thats the reason the Post Classic register has held back with the introduction of pre89.

Na bro, the bikes Paul Wootan has spent longer battling over the last three years, are pre '82 machines. A Z1000, and a GS1000 to be specific.

[scracha]

And how many Motards, and pre '82 bikes were at Pearoa, and Wanganui? HEAPS more than pre '89 my friend.

No pre89 class at Paeroa. I dunno about Wanganui.

[roadracingoldfart]

Yip,Good point,Problem being,The reason a lot of the pre 82 guys arent bothering is cause theyre bikes arent competitive with the pre 89s and as youve seen on this thread already some of the pre89 guys are questioning how competitive theyre bikes would be in this new class.Maybe thats the reason the Post Classic register has held back with the introduction of pre89.

I cant buy into that logic Billy . The pre 82s and pre 89s run in the same race but for seperate points so unless you mean the pre 82 guys only want to race to get line honors it shouldnt make any diferance at all.
Paul has the pre 82s snapping at his heels sometimes so the bikes cant be called down on power or handling.
Paul Wootton would love to see a bit of competition in Pre89 senior but he has to be content with racing Mossy in his own class and Sean and Paul in another. Its still fun im sure but i also know he has reserve and more bike to develop (watch this space) .

Paul.

[roadracingoldfart]

Hang on though if you look at the front rows of the typical start grid in the winter vmmc series its 50%pre82 methonal big bore bikes.EG Shaun Donnely,Paul Brigham are the only guys that can match and beat Paul Wootens gsxr1100 or Martin Cox's fzr1000.They all run 1.16s and 1.15s at manfield.
Shauns bike is being rebuilt at the moment and Paul was at the event watching and will race round three by the sounds of it
Im not at all against fireblades and yzfs racing each other but its the tail end of postclassic that gets bumped into clubmans through not qualifing that suffers.bring in faster bikes is saying to these guys upgrade or bugger off.
Last year we had 37 qualifing with 35 avaliable as it is at one event.lack of wets could be disaster for a points contender etc.

The other aspect here Mossy is that some of the Junior bikes filling the grid shouldnt be there at all (for various reasons) so there is room for more Senior bikes to run.

Paul.

[roadracingoldfart]

And how many Motards, and pre '82 bikes were at Pearoa, and Wanganui? HEAPS more than pre '89 my friend.

So why ? serious question , are the motards not entering the winter series to secure the class in the program.?

Im not against motards but id like to see them use dirt like they do in Europe.
Then you can call it super motard, currantly its just dirt bikes on ashphalt.

Paul.

[mossy1200]

The other aspect here Mossy is that some of the Junior bikes filling the grid shouldnt be there at all (for various reasons) so there is room for more Senior bikes to run.

Paul.

I agree that there is bikes that i would not like to class a race bike and some that are homebuilds and not 100% time piece.
At the end of the day some blades etc would make racing for me more exciting as the fzr89 motor is the same as the 96thunderace and im sure a bored out gsxr1100 is the equivalent of a 95gsxr but do we want to make it a mater of opening the wallet wider to play the game.Its taking budget racing out of postclassic and i wouldnt be happy if I raced a 1986gsxr400 and 15etxra mid 90s senior bikes rocked in and knocked me out of every 2nd event.

[scracha]

I agree that there is bikes that i would not like to class a race bike and some that are homebuilds and not 100% time piece.
At the end of the day some blades etc would make racing for me more exciting as the fzr89 motor is the same as the 96thunderace and im sure a bored out gsxr1100 is the equivalent of a 95gsxr but do we want to make it a mater of opening the wallet wider to play the game.Its taking budget racing out of postclassic and i wouldnt be happy if I raced a 1986gsxr400 and 15etxra mid 90s senior bikes rocked in and knocked me out of every 2nd event.

We need some thread convergance as this subject is now spread over 3 threads.

I wouldn't seriously propose running umm 'post post classics' with 'post classics'..

[roadracingoldfart]

I agree that there is bikes that i would not like to class a race bike and some that are homebuilds and not 100% time piece.
At the end of the day some blades etc would make racing for me more exciting as the fzr89 motor is the same as the 96thunderace and im sure a bored out gsxr1100 is the equivalent of a 95gsxr but do we want to make it a mater of opening the wallet wider to play the game.Its taking budget racing out of postclassic and i wouldnt be happy if I raced a 1986gsxr400 and 15etxra mid 90s senior bikes rocked in and knocked me out of every 2nd event.

I agree except for the wallet opening bit. Ask Scotty what his bike cost just for the engine and i can assure you its a bike and a seasons running cost for 2 riders man.
Hes not alone either but the mainstay of P/C is budget orientated and the best part is to do a hot lap with good times on a 20 year old bike.
The first Blades came out when ? about 1987 - 89 ?? they were evil shitters to ride hard but equal today with a modded pre 89 senior im sure.

Paul.

[mossy1200]

I agree except for the wallet opening bit. Ask Scotty what his bike cost just for the engine and i can assure you its a bike and a seasons running cost for 2 riders man.
Hes not alone either but the mainstay of P/C is budget orientated and the best part is to do a hot lap with good times on a 20 year old bike.
The first Blades came out when ? about 1987 - 89 ?? they were evil shitters to ride hard but equal today with a modded pre 89 senior im sure.

Paul.

blades 900s were early mid 90s and in Ausy where they run pre95 and pre89 together the 89 bikes are a match to the 95bikes as with limited performance mods no bike got out of range of the others.FZR1000s were not changed much.the rear subframe changed and USD forks got added but no extra power til 1997.So we could do the same except for adding pre95 will just water down the pre89 new entries and then you got two weeker classes.In a few years time the thread will read lets drop pre89 as how many turned up at the last meeting pre89=3.
There is no shortage of affordable pre89 senior bikes about so why incourage a water down process.
i can understand the way that formula 3 riders on early 90s 400s must feel about having a bike that cant cut it with a sv650 and cant cross enter their bike into postie juniors.
I still think intro a new class as clubmans b(pre 99etc)then transfer it when the field is large enough to split juniors and seniors away from each other.
bring back champ points to clubmans.This will encourage race attitude and incentives to joining clubmans.

At the end of the day my only goal in life is to beat Paul Wooten on a dry track....

[Whitebait]

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[Billy]

I cant buy into that logic Billy . The pre 82s and pre 89s run in the same race but for seperate points so unless you mean the pre 82 guys only want to race to get line honors it shouldnt make any diferance at all.
Paul has the pre 82s snapping at his heels sometimes so the bikes cant be called down on power or handling.
Paul Wootton would love to see a bit of competition in Pre89 senior but he has to be content with racing Mossy in his own class and Sean and Paul in another. Its still fun im sure but i also know he has reserve and more bike to develop (watch this space) .

Paul.

Well my information source the the pre 82 guys themselves and while I agree they shouldnt want too race for the flag I guess thats just how they see it.Makes little difference to me as to their reasoning.The fact remains another class of any type is NOT needed.Club level racing is alive and well,Its National level that needs fixing

[mossy1200]

As a F3 rider who does posties as well I don't race posties thinking I'm gonna clean the class up, I do it for the track time!

We also need to remember this is CLUB racing!

Seriously does anyone care if my bike is or is not meant to be in Pre89 if I'm making up numbers??

From a spectator point of view it must look a lot better having a full grid????

to me a 89fzr and a 90fzr is the same bike just cosmetic changes and im sure plenty of models are the same.They make rules to take away our interpretation of whats acceptable.this is because by nature as bike riders we are a bunch of rule bending misfits.

[Billy]

As a F3 rider who does posties as well I don't race posties thinking I'm gonna clean the class up, I do it for the track time!

We also need to remember this is CLUB racing!

Seriously does anyone care if my bike is or is not meant to be in Pre89 if I'm making up numbers??

From a spectator point of view it must look a lot better having a full grid????

Well try turning up at a post classic register meeting and tell them that and see how many races they let you do!The rules are the rules and a lot of the other competitors in post classics spend a huge amount of time and money making sure their bikes are legal to the letter of the law and they get pissed off when someone like you flouts the rules as if your Valentino Rossi and rightfully so.MC21s were NOt released to the general public anywhere in the world pre 1990.If however you can prove me wrong make sure you have the relevant information in writing from Honda motor company,Not your mate who lives in Japan cause that aint gonna cut it with the post classic register.As a matter of fact,Your bike isnt even legal for our Formula 3 rules according to the rule book.If all the meetings were run under your way of thinking we have superbikes runnig in the supersport class,125GP bikes running in streetstock and so on just because theyre making up the numbers and not winning

[Drew]

So why ? serious question , are the motards not entering the winter series to secure the class in the program.?

Im not against motards but id like to see them use dirt like they do in Europe.
Then you can call it super motard, currantly its just dirt bikes on ashphalt.

Paul.

Prolly be a bit tough, to introduce a dirt section for them at manfield, but I fully agree. Euro rules say they must run on a percentage of dirt, and I'm all for it.

The fact remains another class of any type is NOT needed.Club level racing is alive and well,Its National level that needs fixing

Here fuckin here! Look around the pits at Vic club, place is friggin packed, and every class has more entries than the nationals.