I have listened. A new class, some diff solutions?

**neil_cb125t** · 8th July 2009, 12:08

Cheers for the input. I have taken away and come up with this

A] I need to get over the SV vs 400 thing – its so much on the fun on the track so go with it

B] Another class is not the answer!! To many already and all of us would suffer with less track time

C] Clubmans is necessary, I still don’t like it – buy a bike that fits a class like normal people….. but it has a use ( which ill get to )

D] Homologation of a class is the way forward so other classes don’t suffer!!

The Answer is to add this idea to another class – at rnd 2 there was a total of 32 entries in PC 82 onwards incl JNR and SNR, so additional bikes can be added. If the grid fills up then you have to make the 115% or you’ll get bumped to you guessed it ......Clubmans.

Solutions

A] Add another era in PCs 1990 -2000 JNRs max 400cc 4s or 250cc 2 strokes NON GP bikes and SNR max cc 750cc or 1000cc twins 4 stroke or 500cc 2 strokes NON GP bikes. Keeping 89 separate.

B] modify the year to 1982-2000 keeping the cc JNR and SNR the same, I dont think this would be good with R6’s vs 1988 cbr600’s vs KR1’s. and 996’s against moseys FZ1000.

C ] meet in the middle JNR PC from 1982 – 2000 up to 500cc 4 stroke 4 cyl and 250 2 strokes. PC’s SNR we can make 1982 -2000, 500cc – 750cc 4 strokes or pre 89 umlimited cc. with up to 500cc 2 stroke Combining the class totally.

Would this get 96 GSXR600s out with 89 GSXR1100cc and 92 RGVs with ZXR400??

Is this better for the sport?? Without taking away importance from other classes??

cheers

**Benk** · 8th July 2009, 12:48

Dont mean to sound like a prick, but whats the point? Getting mid 90s 600s and thouands in on the racing? Theyre not old enough to be cool or interesting, and not new enough to be leading edge. Seems like it would just water down posties, which would be shit. There are already tons of classes, and even if this would run together with something else, it still detracts from the other classes.

I dont see any point in adding another class like this.

**malcy25** · 8th July 2009, 13:20

Originally Posted by Benk

Dont mean to sound like a prick, but whats the point? Getting mid 90s 600s and thouands in on the racing? Theyre not old enough to be cool or interesting, and not new enough to be leading edge. Seems like it would just water down posties, which would be shit. There are already tons of classes, and even if this would run together with something else, it still detracts from the other classes.

I dont see any point in adding another class like this.

+1.

Option C and "E" which you didn't have, which is leave pre 89 as it is as best as I can tell it works pretty well. Shifting an existing cut off date will only drive people out the back end at the same speed you drive people in the front end.

I'm all for more people riding/racing, but the pre 82 and pre 89 classes are fine as they are - my view is don't screw with them. Shit it's taken 5 + years to get pre 89 in the rule book as it is (yes pre 72, pre 82 and pre 89 are very defined set of rules at MNZ level). Post 89 classes will no doubt come and I'm sure the postier club will look at this in time.

I think the postie classes are designed the way they are for a very specific reason. You may want to talk to the Postie club pres about why they are the way they are, before trying to fiddle with the rules they have no doubt fought hard to create.

I think letting trying to mod the postie rules is about as useful as letting 89-99 600's-1000's race in F3.

How about option "F" making clubmans for riders who are really new riders plus guys with bikes who don't really fit elsewhere, and people on modern 600/750/thou's harden up, move up and stop trying to burgle it. This would create the class were the bikes being proposed would fit and wouldn't screw an existing class.

**sinfull** · 8th July 2009, 14:02

VMCC don't seem to have a problem filling grids ! In winter Even !
It's the nationals where the problem lies re low numbers !
More classes at club level is only gonna mean less track time for those racing !~
More track days could be a go, get ppl keen to take things to the next level !
Fill the clubman grids and the natural flow on effect should start filling the nat grids !

**Peter Smith** · 8th July 2009, 14:14

A bike class that covers 18 years (1982-2000) wouldn't work. Who would be daft enough to try and bring a 1983 bike upto the speed of a 1999 bike.
I would sell my 89 GSXR1100 as it wouldn't be competitive against 2000 models.

**neil_cb125t** · 8th July 2009, 14:42

So how about option A making another period to be run within PCs??

Originally Posted by Peter Smith

A bike class that covers 18 years (1982-2000) wouldn't work. Who would be daft enough to try and bring a 1983 bike upto the speed of a 1999 bike.
I would sell my 89 GSXR1100 as it wouldn't be competitive against 2000 models.

**neil_cb125t** · 8th July 2009, 14:48

yep agree with filling clubmans - So question how do we fill a class that has no rules with machine size and eng layout. And doesn't do championship points??

Its all about getting people out there for sure!!

Originally Posted by sinfull

VMCC don't seem to have a problem filling grids ! In winter Even !
It's the nationals where the problem lies re low numbers !
More classes at club level is only gonna mean less track time for those racing !~
More track days could be a go, get ppl keen to take things to the next level !
Fill the clubman grids and the natural flow on effect should start filling the nat grids !

**Benk** · 8th July 2009, 15:18

Originally Posted by neil_cb125t

yep agree with filling clubmans - So question how do we fill a class that has no rules with machine size and eng layout. And doesn't do championship points??

Clubmans is pretty damn full every time ive been to a meeting. Whats up with trying to fix clubmans? I didnt realise it had a problem?

**Skunk** · 8th July 2009, 16:26

Clubmans is the class for people who are; giving it a go, getting up to speed, learning to race. VMCC have a lap time cut off based on the lap times of other classes. Get to be quick enough and you're out of Clubmans.
Expecting someone who has never been in a race before to turn up with a fully prepped R1 and start off in F1 is a 'bad idea'™.

**avgas** · 8th July 2009, 16:38

How about road-legal classes. Anything sub-600cc and anything sub-1500cc.
Must be road-legal, no slicks, full-road running gear.

Or a standard bike class using the same ratings?

**Benk** · 8th July 2009, 16:41

If we carry on at this rate, we will have a class each. Whoop, I can win my very own championship

(to be fair though, id probably crash and lose to myself)

**(P)** · 8th July 2009, 16:51

Originally Posted by avgas

How about road-legal classes. Anything sub-600cc and anything sub-1500cc.
Must be road-legal, no slicks, full-road running gear.

now you're talkin.
mirrors off and into it.

all people want is to race against others on similar machinery, to get closer racing.

**Benk** · 8th July 2009, 16:57

Originally Posted by (P)

now you're talkin.
mirrors off and into it.

all people want is to race against others on similar machinery, to get closer racing.

Dude, what the fuck are you talking about!? Your other posts made little sense, this makes NONE!

So you think me taking my mirrors off my gsx 250 and racing around the track, versus a gsxr 600 will bring close racing. HAHAHAHA. And what constitutes a road bike? From harleys to Gixxers thous, and plenty in between.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Gold.

Originally Posted by (P)

all people want is to race against others on similar machinery, to get closer racing.

Profound. What do you think EVERY other class in NZ is for.

Oh man, i gotta stop.......

**(P)** · 8th July 2009, 17:03

Originally Posted by Benk

Dude, what the fuck are you talking about!? Your other posts made little sense, this makes NONE!

So you think me taking my mirrors off my gsx 250 and racing around the track, versus a gsxr 600 will bring close racing.

read avgas's last post plonker,I quoted it. where in his post did he suggest racing some pussy arsed 250 against a gsxr600? He suggested 2 classes.
do your homework before making a cock out of yourself...dude

**wharfy** · 8th July 2009, 17:03

Originally Posted by sinfull

VMCC don't seem to have a problem filling grids ! In winter Even !
It's the nationals where the problem lies re low numbers !
More classes at club level is only gonna mean less track time for those racing !~
More track days could be a go, get ppl keen to take things to the next level !
Fill the clubman grids and the natural flow on effect should start filling the nat grids !

what he said

Plus there is a big gap between the National level racers and the club level racers.

Check out the times on mylaps for the winter series F1 races.

To get guys/girls up to National level we need to encourage more to start young and learn the ropes. A couple of notable successes in this years Nationals were Glen Sketchell who came via streetstock and Moto Academy and Sloan Frost who came via MX

Originally Posted by Benk

Clubmans is pretty damn full every time ive been to a meeting. Whats up with trying to fix clubmans? I didnt realise it had a problem?

what he said as well.