I have listened. A new class, some diff solutions?

[(P)]

Oh man, i gotta stop.......

yea, mommy is calling you for tea time

[sinfull]

but whats the point? .

Think the only point really, is to get bums on seats at nats level which has to start at club level !
Agree with ya re posties (not that i've ever raced in it), seems to be plenty in the field and lots of fun racing going on, perhaps should be left well alone !
In fact everything at club level looks good in my humble opinion, just F1 thats suffering from lack of thous !
Seen a couple of guys the other week that i'd say will want to be on sightly higher HP bikes before long !

I Like Darrins (redline) work with the trackday he had last week ! Now if he opened that up for those with road bikes that want to experience grid starts, we all know what starting in a grid does to adrenalyn junkies (most who'd do a track day are)
Sure that would get a few more keen to strip their bike down and race it !!!

How about road-legal classes. Anything sub-600cc and anything sub-1500cc.
Must be road-legal, no slicks, full-road running gear.

Or a standard bike class using the same ratings?

Just need more trackdays then aye, with grid starts maybe even !

[mossy1200]

Just gets messy when you want rsv1000 1999 mille against 20year old bikes.
Think the 89 is in a race class because the technology is carbed big bore for 89 senior and hotrods for pre 82.I got into pre89 so that I could advance my bike without the need to upgrade.Change the bench line and the existing posty riders just gotta dump what they got and upgrade.
seniors anyway can go buy a 89zx10,89cbr1000,89gsxr1100,89fzr1000 and play with bikes that are reasonably well matched.Add bits,go faster but not waste the money.
After 89 the bikes just got better,lighter and more power.
if the class of pre89 senior gets big enough do what aus did and add pre95.
pre89 senior would have to get big enough to split away from junior to warrent this.When juniors start failing to qualify is the time to do it not while there is normally less than 35 on the grid.
adding more bikes will also have the effect of more people jumping out of junior and onto zx7s etc.
if you want a different approach go with clubmans pre 2000(b) and clubmans modern(a) and give them championship points again.

This will give the guys with out of date f1 and f2 bikes a market to sell their bike to upgrade and will encourage the passing down of these bikes to new riders as a entry level that they can run with for a couple or few years and be part of a series with points.To upgrade you need to off load your older ride for a good value and the benefits will be good for the sport across the whole range of classes.

After all Neil let say you were a mid pack qualifier this year in position 20-25 have fun and competing with others on un modified 400s for bragging rites and every last point you can get then you turn up next year and cant qualify because 12year old 750s and 600s and twin 1000s come push you back to 36 in qualify runs.Then you gotta spend money(no choice upgrade or power up or run new rubber and wets etc)just to race.if you cant afford your gunna give it in.

[Whitebait]

If we carry on at this rate, we will have a class each. Whoop, I can win my very own championship

(to be fair though, id probably crash and lose to myself)

You crack me up BenK..........hey at least if you had your own class you wouldn't be able to take anyone out but yourself............

[koba]

Just gets messy when you want rsv1000 1999 mille against 20year old bikes.
Think the 89 is in a race class because the technology is carbed big bore for 89 senior and hotrods for pre 82.I got into pre89 so that I could advance my bike without the need to upgrade.Change the bench line and the existing posty riders just gotta dump what they got and upgrade.
seniors anyway can go buy a 89zx10,89cbr1000,89gsxr1100,89fzr1000 and play with bikes that are reasonably well matched.Add bits,go faster but not waste the money.
After 89 the bikes just got better,lighter and more power.
if the class of pre89 senior gets big enough do what aus did and add pre95.
pre89 senior would have to get big enough to split away from junior to warrent this.When juniors start failing to qualify is the time to do it not while there is normally less than 35 on the grid.
adding more bikes will also have the effect of more people jumping out of junior and onto zx7s etc.
if you want a different approach go with clubmans pre 2000(b) and clubmans modern(a) and give them championship points again.

This will give the guys with out of date f1 and f2 bikes a market to sell their bike to upgrade and will encourage the passing down of these bikes to new riders as a entry level that they can run with for a couple or few years and be part of a series with points.To upgrade you need to off load your older ride for a good value and the benefits will be good for the sport across the whole range of classes.

After all Neil let say you were a mid pack qualifier this year in position 20-25 have fun and competing with others on un modified 400s for bragging rites and every last point you can get then you turn up next year and cant qualify because 12year old 750s and 600s and twin 1000s come push you back to 36 in qualify runs.Then you gotta spend money(no choice upgrade or power up or run new rubber and wets etc)just to race.if you cant afford your gunna give it in.

This all makes alot of sense to me.

[neil_cb125t]

this is why i am propsing a class that seperates bikes because of that!!

@ the moment clubbys is just what your talking about... all in.

Im talking about separate champs - 400cc 4s and 250 2 smokes then the SNR class with 750s and 600s and twin 1000s pre 2000.

but hey i have nothin but negatives from my ideas so will continue to ride in Posties and no one can complain they can all harden the fuck up and buy ohlins and a 444 kit then get out a note book and take some fucken lessons!!


there ya go ive gone postal!!

[QUOTE=After all Neil let say you were a mid pack qualifier this year in position 20-25 have fun and competing with others on un modified 400s for bragging rites and every last point you can get then you turn up next year and cant qualify because 12year old 750s and 600s and twin 1000s come push you back to 36 in qualify runs.Then you gotta spend money(no choice upgrade or power up or run new rubber and wets etc)just to race.if you cant afford your gunna give it in.[/QUOTE]

[koba]

there ya go ive gone postal!!

You just wait 'till I get my VFR out there sonnyjim!

Then we will see an arsekicking!






You kicking me that is...

[scracha]

Neil,

Presumably you're talking about club level racing.

One of the main points of Pre89 was to promote cheap racing but that seems to have been forgotten. 20 year old bikes are hard to maintain and are now starting to go up in price. A competitive Pre89 senior or junior bike is now quite pricey and Pre82 is just stupidly expensive.

Clubmans without a championship is pointless too. Ban tyrewarmers and slicks in that class too...it's farkin stupid. Ditching the clubmans class isn't a stupid idea. Give em yellow bibs for the first 3 races, if they're $hit they'll qualify at the back anyhoo and if they're dangerous then politely tell em to do a few more trackdays or let em out at lunchtime. Upshot is that if they're amazingly talented they will get noticed more as they'll be 'the guy in the yellow bib leading F1.'

Chopper...F2 is alive and kicking but F1 at club level is hardly booming.

F3 needs a complete revamp anyway...a class based around bored out and outdated Japanese 400cc license restrictions and the "SV650 cup" is too stupid for words. At club level there's only a handful of competitive nationals level riders that regularly turn up. Add aircooled 600cc 4's and 800cc aircooled twins or summit.

Benk.. clubs in other countries use a rolling age rule and their racing is booming. You've got to remember that the 'outdated' bike you raced the previous year has had development time so won't be completly blown away. The outdated bikes can still be sold (to someone less competitive) or you just wait till they become competitive again in an older racing class. Not really different to a modern F1 or F2 bike in that respect. Keeps the racing very interesting with new bikes coming into the class every year. Think of all the cool specials that could be racing. Maybe relax the restrictions a little the older they get?

Again, it all depends on demand but I'd rather watch 35 pre 1995/2000/2005/whatever bikes dicing on the track than 10 SV650's. Talking of demand...the Pre82 attendance at the last Vic round was shockingly low so if over the next few rounds it becomes apparent that they're rather go to NZPCRA arranged meetings then they seem the obvious choice of class to ditch.

[gatch]

F3 needs a complete revamp anyway...a class based around bored out and outdated Japanese 400cc license restrictions and the "SV650 cup" is too stupid for words. At club level there's only a handful of competitive nationals level riders that regularly turn up. Add aircooled 600cc 4's and 800cc aircooled twins or summit.

There is already provision to run up to 640cc water cooled twins and 750cc air cooled twins (twins over 500cc must have oem airbox, filter and carb) nothing over 450cc multi's though..

[mossy1200]

There is already provision to run up to 640cc water cooled twins and 750cc air cooled twins (twins over 500cc must have oem airbox, filter and carb) nothing over 450cc multi's though..

750 air cooled.i wanna see a ducati 750ss out there now.66hp stock.What are they like tweeked but with standard carbs.The 93 model is factory lightish at 175kg with road gear.

[malcy25]

One of the main points of Pre89 was to promote cheap racing but that seems to have been forgotten.

So, where is this epiphany being quoted from....doing a quick web search finds the NZPCRA website and their constitution being their guiding principles don't even say that http://http://www.nzpostclassics.org...hp?pr=About_Us In fact it says : To foster the preservation, restoration and use of motorcycles built or manufactured between 1 January 1963 and 31 December 1989

Benk.. clubs in other countries use a rolling age rule and their racing is booming.

Yeah and which countries is that? Not Aussie and when they did it it one club in the UK it was universally panned as being a f..up. The US don't do it either but there rules are just weird though, so forget them. Those are the countries that have a well known, well recognised, and dare I say it "booming" Postie racing scene.

Those same countries may also have how many million people?

The only orgainisations that regularly run a rolling age entry are enthusiat clubs which are NOT racing. ie vintage car clubs, Vintage Japanese Motorcycle Club etc - usually at teh tune of 1 year for every two years gone. The guys who run te racing clubs know it's a sure way to screw your existing racers.

So really who cares? do we need a rolling age group? No, if you bothered looking you'll see that the NZPCRA has taken a diferent tack. Gets the same result in the end (ie more bikes eligible), but achives it differently and ring fences the existing bikes from being thrown away.

Some guys might actually enjoy racing the Bike they have (and may have bought that model bcecause they like it or wanted it, not just just because it was eligible, without wanting to have to constantly up date it and may be why they went postie racing - refer Mossy further up the page.

The less people try to screw with class rules in general across all classes, f1 - 125's , the more stability there is for people to know what they can do and plan ahead for, the more likley people are likely to get their feet wet.

the Pre82 attendance at the last Vic round was shockingly low so if over the next few rounds it becomes apparent that they're rather go to NZPCRA arranged meetings then they seem the obvious choice of class to ditch.

I bet all the guys with 1000cc F1 class bikes in the Vic Club series are glad they didn't do that to their class after the lower turn outs last year...instead, someone thought it might be a good idea to actually support them and find out what the issue was, the find a solution.

f3, well, I guess the reason so many 400/4 based bike are still there is that they were a mainstay of the class for so long at so little cost and only now are they being over taken (yes, at a certain cost though).

[polly]

Some guys might actually enjoy racing the Bike they have (and may have bought that model bcecause they like it or wanted it, not just just because it was eligible, without wanting to have to constantly up date it and may be why they went postie racing - refer Mossy further up the page.

I have just started this form of motorcyle racing after many years of doing others. I had a lot of fun racing at VMCC R1 & R2, about to enter R3.

The post classic class appears to have a good feild with 30+ bikes at both meetings so far. Is there a problem ?

I started racing in this class as the rules looked to be fixed and should be the same for a few years. I hope this is not about to change.

[Benk]

read avgas's last post plonker,I quoted it. where in his post did he suggest racing some pussy arsed 250 against a gsxr600? He suggested 2 classes.
do your homework before making a cock out of yourself...dude

Yeah man, sub 600 (600 sports bikes are normally 599cc), and anything sub 1500cc. Done my homework. Im not arguing with you anymore. I waste enough of my life as it is.

yea, mommy is calling you for tea time

Yes, and it was amazing! Eye fillet.

you had your own class you wouldn't be able to take anyone out but yourself............

.......

Benk.. clubs in other countries use a rolling age rule and their racing is booming. You've got to remember that the 'outdated' bike you raced the previous year has had development time so won't be completly blown away. The outdated bikes can still be sold (to someone less competitive) or you just wait till they become competitive again in an older racing class. Not really different to a modern F1 or F2 bike in that respect. Keeps the racing very interesting with new bikes coming into the class every year. Think of all the cool specials that could be racing. Maybe relax the restrictions a little the older they get?

Maybe, seems like alot of hassle for FA though. We are up to our arsehole in classes as it is. Cant wait for 2 x 2 lap sprint races

[Peter Smith]

Here is the major problem;
1. National level riders come from club events.
2. Club riders come from road riders having a go at club meets or track days.
3. Road riders come from the younger generation buying road bikes.

Point 3 is where it is all going wrong. Teenagers today are buying cheap Jap cars (just look at how the boy racer numbers have grown). Motor bikes are too expensive and you can't fit your drunken mates on one.
Drifting events are atracting the young people, not motorcycle events.

Most of the guys racing in the nationals are 30+. There are a few youngster but not many.
The future for motorcycle road racing is going to be tough, and it is not just in beautiful NZ.

[Deano]

Dude, what the fuck are you talking about!? Your other posts made little sense, this makes NONE!

So you think me taking my mirrors off my gsx 250 and racing around the track, versus a gsxr 600 will bring close racing. HAHAHAHA. And what constitutes a road bike? From harleys to Gixxers thous, and plenty in between.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Gold.



Profound. What do you think EVERY other class in NZ is for.

Oh man, i gotta stop.......

Ten bucks says you get a red (grey actually LOL) rep from (P) for this one.