Would you race in post post classics

**scracha** · 9th July 2009, 14:03

There are lots of very very cheap ex race and potential (as in road legal) race bikes out there that are too old to be competitive in the formula classes but too new for the "newest" post classic class (the now prehistoric pre-89 class). This seems a bloody shame.

If there were a pre-2000 or "7 year old bike and over" or similar class would you potentially be interested in competing in it (obviously depending on the specific capacity and machine restriction rules).

**Benk** · 9th July 2009, 14:24

No, but it's a good idea........................................ in 10 years time, when they become the new 'posties' bikes. Till then, sell your mid 90s road bike to me, for cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeap.

**Skunk** · 9th July 2009, 14:32

But one of the front running 600's is a 2004 model... it's still competitive.

I think it's the rider with the issues - in the head. 80% of riding is in the head stuff. (Read that sentence carefully - it's not an insult to anyone)

Why does everyone want a class for everything? Face it - sooner or later what you're riding will not be competitive. Upgrade it or race it best you can. Stop inventing classes so it can be competitive. It doesn't improve the racing.

**t3mp0r4ry nzr** · 9th July 2009, 15:10

Love em 90's "superbikes". Yes I would be interested in racing if there was such a class. Could buy a bike tomorrow for the class for $3,500. Would have to get in quick though, as the demand for these ole beasts created from this race class would push up the prices to around modern used supersport money, then suddenly the cheap buy-in is not so cheap after all.

Or, we could run these bikes in current F1, have 75% of the performance of leading SBK for $3.5 and be happy putting the laps in mid-pack, where we would be learning alot more than running around in the other "slower" classes. If F1 is too fast, then there is always clubbies.

Such a class would be a double edged sword in my opinion, but worthy of thought.

**ajturbo** · 9th July 2009, 16:19

i think we should have a class where rule number one is..

NO OVER TAKING AJ....

what a class that would be!!!!

**mossy1200** · 9th July 2009, 16:27

Originally Posted by ajturbo

i think we should have a class where rule number one is..

NO OVER TAKING AJ....

what a class that would be!!!!

That would need to be the AJ cup where second is almost first.You dont get the cup cause AJ gets it every year.
If AJ falls points go back to the last lap AJ was leading.

everyone wants to mess with postclassic which is ment to be exactly that older bikes(no fuel injection or usd etc.
This would be better transforming clubmans into a=modern b=pre2000 and revisit champ points.
There is already 30+ entries into postclassic every meeting.
Add more bikes and it will kill the midpack to tail enders who just cant qualify if you add faster bikes to the mix.All this will achieve is the old posties getting shoved into clubmans by default.Now your calling post classic clubmans and clubmans postclassic.

there is plenty of suitable pre89 gsxr1100s and zxr400s etc waiting for track conversion for $2000-$4000.
if you want to race postclassic buy one.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-227835663.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-228420913.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-228877280.htm

there is heaps of them search under 4k and prior 1990

this is one i built in spare time $1400 finished including purchace.It should be out there at round three.

**zxr400#150** · 9th July 2009, 16:40

i 2nd that, im an AJ too lol

**Benk** · 9th July 2009, 17:05

Originally Posted by mossy1200

there is plenty of suitable pre89 gsxr1100s and zxr400s etc waiting for track conversion for $2000-$4000.
if you want to race postclassic buy one.

I dont understand it either mossy. I paid 2800 for my bike, with tyre warmers and brand new wets. I was racing for under 3500 (leathers, license, blah blah), and I would be surprised if my racing and trackdays over the last year would have exceeded 5000. I still havnt reached the limits of my bike and improve every time I get out on the track.

How much cheaper do ya want it for fuck sake!

If people want a pre 2000 class because they love the bikes, or whatever, thats cool with me, but as a MONEY saving exercise, gimme a break. If you want a cheap sport take up squash. Like the old saying, if you need an excuse, any excuse will do.

**mossy1200** · 9th July 2009, 17:09

Originally Posted by Benk

I dont understand it either mossy. I paid 2800 for my bike, with tyre warmers and brand new wets. I was racing for under 3500 (leathers, license, blah blah), and I would be surprised if my racing and trackdays over the last year would have exceeded 5000. I still havnt reached the limits of my bike and improve every time I get out on the track.

How much cheaper do ya want it for fuck sake!

If people want a pre 2000 class because they love the bikes, or whatever, thats cool with me, but as a MONEY saving exercise, gimme a break. If you want a cheap sport take up squash. Like the old saying, if you need an excuse, any excuse will do.

I have just added photos of the last one i built.Cost $1400 and i sold it for $1450 to a guy who plans to enter round three.its the third posty i have built and sold at little or no profit for under 2k.If someone in welly wants to convert a bike ill help them do it no charge(maybe some beers).I even have some rg race fairings that could adapt onto something that only owe me $140.You can get race tails new unpainted for $130 and catch bottle etc cost next to nothing.Build something if you cant find one prebuilt.

**scracha** · 9th July 2009, 17:43

You's are missing the point. It's not just about 'cheap'. There's no denying that pre89 is cheap. It's about moving on with the times. I'm pretty sure they had similar arguments when pre89 was first suggested umm..7 or 8 years ago?

An how cool would it be to see early blades, ZX-7R's and thundercats racing competitively and getting developed again?

**t3mp0r4ry nzr** · 9th July 2009, 17:58

Originally Posted by scracha

You's are missing the point. It's not just about 'cheap'. There's no denying that pre89 is cheap. It's about moving on with the times. I'm pretty sure they had similar arguments when pre89 was first suggested umm..7 or 8 years ago?

An how cool would it be to see early blades, ZX-7R's and thundercats racing competitively and getting developed again?

agreed. Would be wicked to see and fun to race.
I would love to race a big bike fullstop, whether its 20 years old or 2 years old, its still quick!
So yeah, would definitely consider a bike to race in this class.

**WarrenW** · 9th July 2009, 18:10

Ok so if it took 7 years to get pre 89 into the rules, this will take about the same time. Post Classics works as a formula because you DONT have to keep up with the times. Develop a bike and get familiar with it and gradually you get faster and faster until you are SOOO fast you may even beat me to the starting line LOL. No seriously the rules that exist do work after many years of debate and tweaking to get them right. Eventualy the bikes you are talking about now will be added to another 'era' class and then they coould be raced in a valid posties class. Until then keep plugging in the ideas but it will take time to get change so be patient.
Hopefully by the time they get to be included, the older bikes will be so few that the numbers in the class size will go through a boom just as it is now with the pre 89 added to the mix.

Just my 2c worth.

**Drew** · 9th July 2009, 18:22

I'd prolly do one race on the RF for a laugh, but other than that, I dont like the idea.

Why does every motorcycle, need a race class to fit in?

Good to see those bikes developed again, someone said. Why? A short search will tell you what to do, to get more power/handling/cock stroking value from a ten year old bike.

Wanna fuck with your bike and race, enter clubmans. Get booted for going too fast, enter whatever you can fit in, you'll be fast enough.