Illegal Doco on TV2.

**scumdog** · 10th July 2009, 20:52

Originally Posted by jono035

A lot of that comes down to what the difference really is, too. If you're quick with a bolt action, it really isn't that much slower, which means that banning semi-autos wouldn't have any effect.!

Raurimu massacre - single-shot 12 guage shotgun, 9 (from memory) dead.

**ynot slow** · 10th July 2009, 21:14

Originally Posted by duckonin

Now with and basicly without a licence if you are lucky you can buy as many guns as you like from other people without there being a record of any transaction at all, now how dumb is that, it is know wonder the police carn't do their job efficently, they have a flat ball to kick around

Mind you if buying from a shop they take license number,name,address,model and serial number,well the one I dealt with did.

And to add to the further crap,the guy fired a military style semi auto (mssa) .22 on a farm or similar,almost to invoke the scarry military type weapon he wanted to buy ILLEGALLY.

Have an uncle who used to hunt pigs with knife and a 9mm lugar(brought back from Malaya outbreak in late 1950's,until the cops found out,but had used most of the ammo he had anyway.He had .303 and others for pig and deer hunting,his latest was a semi auto .308 standard type thought.

The NZOutdoor mag had an article years ago on SLR.223 and AK 47.308 semi autos for deer and goat control by air and ground,general consensus then was pest destruction board at time thought they were a good option for their hunters,but legislation was problem.

**jono035** · 10th July 2009, 21:19

Originally Posted by scumdog

Raurimu massacre - single-shot 12 guage shotgun, 9 (from memory) dead.

Had never looked at what had happened there, thanks for that info. Proves my point in a sad, tragedic way.

**wbks** · 10th July 2009, 21:20

Originally Posted by jono035

Had never looked at what had happened there, thanks for that info. Proves my point in a sad, tragedic way.

I'll bet it had a pistol grip...

**jono035** · 10th July 2009, 21:22

Sorry ynotslow, misread your comment there.

In terms of the semi-autos for deer and goat control by chopper that is exactly what I'd heard too. If you're going to go through the expense of choppering a bunch of guys into an area to do some culling, you want them as armed to the teeth as they can be because you're going to be counting on getting as many kills per hour as possible.

Stop people being able to do that and it won't be economical to do it by chopper, which will leave us with a big pest problem on our hands.

**jono035** · 10th July 2009, 21:23

Originally Posted by wbks

I'll bet it had a pistol grip...

Doesn't matter if it isn't a semi-auto.

**scumdog** · 10th July 2009, 21:31

Originally Posted by wbks

I'll bet it had a pistol grip...

Nup, just a plain 'ol 'fire-a-shot, break-it-open, put-another-shell-in-it, fire-again' type of gun.

**ynot slow** · 10th July 2009, 21:35

And most semi autos of shotgun and centre fire are pinned to max of 5 rounds,except MSSA ones if I'm informed correctly,or it is my thinking of them.

**scumdog** · 10th July 2009, 21:37

Originally Posted by ynot slow

And most semi autos of shotgun and centre fire are pinned to max of 5 rounds,except MSSA ones if I'm informed correctly,or it is my thinking of them.

Nup.
Informed wrong.

**jono035** · 10th July 2009, 21:39

Originally Posted by scumdog

Nup, just a plain 'ol 'fire-a-shot, break-it-open, put-another-shell-in-it, fire-again' type of gun.

Which is pretty good evidence, one would think, to say that it isn't the gun that is the problem quite as much as it is the nutjob behind it.

**Indiana_Jones** · 10th July 2009, 22:17

Firearms are here to stay.

No homo lefty feel good shit is gonna change that.

But I am a law abiding firearm owner, why should should the actions of a few who will get the weapons they desire not matter what laws are in place reflect upon me?

This cunt doing the show doesn't like firearms, that's cool i respect that, but that doesn't make me or any other gun owner a bad person.

-Indy

**Swoop** · 10th July 2009, 22:22

Originally Posted by jono035

Joining the club doesn't really work out any cheaper unless you're shooting more than once a month ($200 per month, $100 to join)

$200 per month?????????
Bloody hell!

Originally Posted by duckonin

Nz needs to drop the Ausie system it adopted,which is what we have now, a licence system and go back to a permit to procure (from Police) the purchaser needs this before they get any gun sold to them..

Years back the system knew who had what, well almost,

Now with and basicly without a licence if you are lucky you can buy as many guns as you like from other people without there being a record of any transaction at all, now how dumb is that,

Hang on a second. The present system was brought in because the old PTP system was unworkable, plain and simple.
The error rate was massive.

The current PTP system appears just as bad. Many instances of inaccuracies in records have come to light. People have had their registered guns confiscated because they "were not on the system", and then the police had to return them (with apologies - which was nice of them) when the balls-up was found.
The prime cilprit in all of this appears to be Wellington and the keyboard jockeys that input/stuff-up the data.

The current system is the best in the world for workability. For the worst system, refer to Canada.

**jono035** · 10th July 2009, 22:32

Originally Posted by Swoop

$200 per month?????????
Bloody hell!

Hang on a second. The present system was brought in because the old PTP system was unworkable, plain and simple.
The error rate was massive.

The current PTP system appears just as bad. Many instances of inaccuracies in records have come to light. People have had their registered guns confiscated because they "were not on the system", and then the police had to return them (with apologies - which was nice of them) when the balls-up was found.
The prime cilprit in all of this appears to be Wellington and the keyboard jockeys that input/stuff-up the data.

The current system is the best in the world for workability. For the worst system, refer to Canada.

Ahhh crap, $200 per year... not sure where the hell that came from.... it's a further $70 a year if you join Pistol NZ too