Illegal Doco on TV2.

**Dare** · 13th July 2009, 10:54

Originally Posted by wbks

Think about this: Motorcycles are unnecessary. Cars are cheaper (including initial cost and lower maintenance), and marginally safer. There are also many bike nuts out there that have plowed through cars in excess of 200kp/h killing whole families and have caused more deaths in NZ than firearms. There is no absolute need for them. Fuckin bike nuts, I bet they get more pleasure out of riding a bike than a woman, they spend more time doing the former.

Heh. Pull the other one, it hath bells on.

http://www.mtedenmotorcycles.co.nz/s...nja+ZX-6R.html
Initial cost of an 09 zx6r inc GST: $18,595.00
http://www.ccs.co.nz/new+cars/porsch...11+carrera+gt3
Initial cost of a 09 Porsche GT3 (Arguably similar purpose): Price NZ$270,000
http://www.thecaryard.co.nz/results....&cboCategory=1
Initial cost of a used 09 Mazda 3: $31,995.00

And I guarantee buying and fitting a part for the porsche is likely to cost as much as a replacement engine on the zx6r. And forget about tyres.

Cost to fill my mini: $50
Range: ~350k on a tank
Cost to fill my GSF: $25
Range:~220k on a tank

Safer? Can't argue with that, statistics don't lie!

As for firearms, having been raised in the UK where guns are a no-no I haven't had much experience with them. But I find it offensive when the government decides to increase limitations under the guise of 'safety'. If you are spending more money then I doubt safety is its actual purpose. Shouldn't there be a way for the general public to say 'back off' when the government gets too over protective? (and don't say vote for the other guy, that doesn't make much difference to this kind of thing) We don't need babying ffs. Well, some of us do, but darwin has his ways..

**Mr Merde** · 13th July 2009, 11:08

Originally Posted by BaDDoGNZ

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As for firearms, having been raised in the UK where guns are a no-no I haven't had much experience with them. But I find it offensive when the government decides to increase limitations under the guise of 'safety'. If you are spending more money then I doubt safety is its actual purpose. Shouldn't there be a way for the general public to say 'back off' when the government gets too over protective? (and don't say vote for the other guy, that doesn't make much difference to this kind of thing) We don't need babying ffs. Well, some of us do, but darwin has his ways..

There should be but unfortunately there isnt.
Once elected a government pretty much has a free hand until the next election.

Look at the current referendum on the smacking bill. The voting population forced the government to hold the referendum but then the government actually has come out and stated they no matter what the outcome they are not bound to do anything . Basically we are allowed to make our views known but other than that just go away and behave yourselves as big brother knows best.

**wbks** · 13th July 2009, 11:30

Originally Posted by BaDDoGNZ

Heh. Pull the other one, it hath bells on.

http://www.mtedenmotorcycles.co.nz/s...nja+ZX-6R.html
Initial cost of an 09 zx6r inc GST: $18,595.00
http://www.ccs.co.nz/new+cars/porsch...11+carrera+gt3
Initial cost of a 09 Porsche GT3 (Arguably similar purpose): Price NZ$270,000
http://www.thecaryard.co.nz/results....&cboCategory=1
Initial cost of a used 09 Mazda 3: $31,995.00

And I guarantee buying and fitting a part for the porsche is likely to cost as much as a replacement engine on the zx6r. And forget about tyres.

Well no shit if you're going to compare a gt3 and a bike. Last car I bought was 500, road legal. Last chitty bike that will never be road legal-1500. It's pretty obvious looking on trademe that cars are cheaper. And tyres on the average car are going to be longer in between compared to a bike, and probably cheaper, too. Cars ARE cheaper.

**Dare** · 13th July 2009, 12:39

Originally Posted by wbks

Well no shit if you're going to compare a gt3 and a bike. Last car I bought was 500, road legal. Last chitty bike that will never be road legal-1500. It's pretty obvious looking on trademe that cars are cheaper. And tyres on the average car are going to be longer in between compared to a bike, and probably cheaper, too. Cars ARE cheaper.

I'm comparing a supersport to a sport car... Notice the mazda 3?

Going by rock bottom trademe prices cars are cheaper, mainly because the market is flooded with them. However a $500 mid nineties car isn't going to win many crash tests, which is why NZ stopped importing pre 1995 japanese cars. My car was $600 and my bike was over 2g so I won't argue with you on that

However once you start looking up around 7k or more bikes rapidly become better bang for buck, depending of course on what you want them for... Upgrades on bikes are also cheaper than upgrades for cars. And no sound system to worry about!

Going on safety, older cars are less safe but cheaper than bikes, nineties cars are fairly reliable. But a big job on a bike does not cost the same as a big job on a car. Our subaru can attest to that. Essentially bike ongoing costs are certain, whereas if your lucky a car can give you thousands of miles of grief free tedium. Or it can cost a bomb. Buying a new car gets rid of the worries of buying a lemon but at the expense of costing 10X more than a used bike. Sliding scale of course.

Your average bike is cheaper than your average car, on the basis that your average NZ'er doesn't drive a $500 car.
EDIT:
A thought. At rock bottom prices petrol becomes a big factor, a years petrol probably costs more than your $500 car. But then Rego costs less.
There are many factors here, and each price bracket has a different answer, so I guess what i'm saying is it's nothing as simple as saying 'cars are cheaper'.

**scumdog** · 13th July 2009, 13:30

Originally Posted by BaDDoGNZ

I'm comparing a supersport to a sport car... Notice the mazda 3?

Going by rock bottom trademe prices cars are cheaper, mainly because the market is flooded with them. However a $500 mid nineties car isn't going to win many crash tests, which is why NZ stopped importing pre 1995 japanese cars. My car was $600 and my bike was over 2g so I won't argue with you on that

However once you start looking up around 7k or more bikes rapidly become better bang for buck, depending of course on what you want them for... Upgrades on bikes are also cheaper than upgrades for cars. And no sound system to worry about!

Going on safety, older cars are less safe but cheaper than bikes, nineties cars are fairly reliable. But a big job on a bike does not cost the same as a big job on a car. Our subaru can attest to that. Essentially bike ongoing costs are certain, whereas if your lucky a car can give you thousands of miles of grief free tedium. Or it can cost a bomb. Buying a new car gets rid of the worries of buying a lemon but at the expense of costing 10X more than a used bike. Sliding scale of course.

Your average bike is cheaper than your average car, on the basis that your average NZ'er doesn't drive a $500 car.
EDIT:
A thought. At rock bottom prices petrol becomes a big factor, a years petrol probably costs more than your $500 car. But then Rego costs less.
There are many factors here, and each price bracket has a different answer, so I guess what i'm saying is it's nothing as simple as saying 'cars are cheaper'.

The only thing 'cheap about a motorbike is the fill-ups at the petrol pump, its ability to cover a long distance for little fuel and the initial purchase price.

Rego, insurance and general maintenance are way ahead - (for example, not many bike tyres last 35,000km or so, OK, you have to buy four instead of two but generally the car tyres are also cheaper.)

But back on topic....I fail to see how the status of a weapon purely because of the appearance of a NON-FREE STANDING pistol grip is going to make things safer for anybody, it didn't seem to stop Molenaar, hell just about all his firearms had them, most put there by him - the man with no fire-arms licence.

**The Pastor** · 13th July 2009, 14:35

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Indy, Indy, Indy.
As noted many times previously.
Anything can kill you, so don't trot out the tiresome braindead ban everything argument. Cars have a useful purpose, there is a need for cars in society. There is a need for guns too. By all means demonstrate a need and obtain the correct tool for the purpose.
As noted also. Why allow guns and not machine guns, or gatling guns or hell nukes. Blowing up cities could become a sport too you know.

Gatling guns (that are hand operated) are legal in NZ, cost about 10k tho

**Mr Merde** · 13th July 2009, 15:14

Originally Posted by renegade master

Gatling guns (that are hand operated) are legal in NZ, cost about 10k tho

Add another $15,000 to your guestimate. Thats for a .22 version. If you want a large calibre you need to spend more

Actually made in Mt Eden, not far from Her Magesty's holiday hotel.

**The Pastor** · 13th July 2009, 16:20

Originally Posted by mr merde

add another $15,000 to your guestimate. Thats for a .22 version. If you want a large calibre you need to spend more

actually made in mt eden, not far from her magesty's holiday hotel.

35k, what a bargin- wonder how accurate they are

**Mr Merde** · 13th July 2009, 16:23

Originally Posted by renegade master

35k, what a bargin- wonder how accurate they are

25k for a .22.

Like all machine type guns they are spray and pray.

put enough bullets downrange and you will hit something.

Gatling Gun fired up to 600 rouds per min and went up to a .80 calibre

**jetboy** · 13th July 2009, 16:24

Originally Posted by mynameis

0oh time to watch naked and funny

I miss Sky TV

**Shadows** · 13th July 2009, 16:34

Originally Posted by renegade master

35k, what a bargin- wonder how accurate they are

Not very. And not the best for a killing spree either. They need a couple of guys to wheel the thing around and are easily outflanked (basically harmless unless you walk in front of them).

One would be far better off with a "run of the mill" automatic rifle.

**ManDownUnder** · 13th July 2009, 16:40

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Gatling Gun fired up to 600 rouds per min and went up to a .80 calibre

uh uh - here's one 30mm... and does about mach 0.7

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**Cheshire Cat** · 13th July 2009, 16:51

Originally Posted by wbks

Think about this: Motorcycles are unnecessary.

NEVER!!!

**Pixie** · 13th July 2009, 17:21

Originally Posted by mynameis

Most parents wouldn't be too happy with their kids coming across used bullets found on their school playground.

He just shot aimlessly in the air, could have deflected with one of the many trees he had and fired back.

What's the big deal? It's just a lump of lead.
Even if some moron kid ate it he'd just shit it out again.