Illegal Doco on TV2.

[awayatc]

25k for a .22.

Like all machine type guns they are spray and pray.

put enough bullets downrange and you will hit something.

Praying for those on receiving end......
Used to Hit helmet size targets at 600 meters with 7.62 GP machine gun at over 90 % hits.....
VW combi van shredded at 1000 meters with one 100 round belt on the .50 calibre......
Ther old Bren was sniper material,
only useless ones are shortbarreled 9mm Machine pistols like uzi's and the like.

[jono035]

Heh. Pull the other one, it hath bells on.

http://www.mtedenmotorcycles.co.nz/s...nja+ZX-6R.html
Initial cost of an 09 zx6r inc GST: $18,595.00
http://www.ccs.co.nz/new+cars/porsch...11+carrera+gt3
Initial cost of a 09 Porsche GT3 (Arguably similar purpose): Price NZ$270,000
http://www.thecaryard.co.nz/results....&cboCategory=1
Initial cost of a used 09 Mazda 3: $31,995.00

And I guarantee buying and fitting a part for the porsche is likely to cost as much as a replacement engine on the zx6r. And forget about tyres.

Cost to fill my mini: $50
Range: ~350k on a tank
Cost to fill my GSF: $25
Range:~220k on a tank

Safer? Can't argue with that, statistics don't lie!

As for firearms, having been raised in the UK where guns are a no-no I haven't had much experience with them. But I find it offensive when the government decides to increase limitations under the guise of 'safety'. If you are spending more money then I doubt safety is its actual purpose. Shouldn't there be a way for the general public to say 'back off' when the government gets too over protective? (and don't say vote for the other guy, that doesn't make much difference to this kind of thing) We don't need babying ffs. Well, some of us do, but darwin has his ways..

Did you just compare a 600cc ninja to a porsche?

Not sure I quite followed where you were going with that one. Neither of those are 'need' cars/bikes, they're both indulgences. A 'need' car is something more like a corolla. If you want to drive a fast car, sure, but if it can exceed the speed limit, then it probably isn't 'needed', it's a want, and a truck load more people are killed by speeding in Porsches than by high school shootings .

If you want to learn a little more about firearms safety and handling and are anywhere near Auckland then you should come out to Central Shooters (Nelson St in central city) on one of the visitors nights and take a look. I'm happy to make a special trip in and talk you through the whole shebang. Then if it's something you're interested in you can punch some holes in a paper target with a rifle and maybe one of the .22 pistols even.

Send me a PM if you're keen.

[jono035]

I'm comparing a supersport to a sport car... Notice the mazda 3?

Going by rock bottom trademe prices cars are cheaper, mainly because the market is flooded with them. However a $500 mid nineties car isn't going to win many crash tests, which is why NZ stopped importing pre 1995 japanese cars. My car was $600 and my bike was over 2g so I won't argue with you on that However once you start looking up around 7k or more bikes rapidly become better bang for buck, depending of course on what you want them for... Upgrades on bikes are also cheaper than upgrades for cars. And no sound system to worry about!

Going on safety, older cars are less safe but cheaper than bikes, nineties cars are fairly reliable. But a big job on a bike does not cost the same as a big job on a car. Our subaru can attest to that. Essentially bike ongoing costs are certain, whereas if your lucky a car can give you thousands of miles of grief free tedium. Or it can cost a bomb. Buying a new car gets rid of the worries of buying a lemon but at the expense of costing 10X more than a used bike. Sliding scale of course.

Your average bike is cheaper than your average car, on the basis that your average NZ'er doesn't drive a $500 car.
EDIT:
A thought. At rock bottom prices petrol becomes a big factor, a years petrol probably costs more than your $500 car. But then Rego costs less.
There are many factors here, and each price bracket has a different answer, so I guess what i'm saying is it's nothing as simple as saying 'cars are cheaper'.

Sorry mate, I appreciate the sentiment but I think the fairway is about 40m to the west of here. Doesn't matter if the car passes crash tests, how many bikes do?

Even crapped out old bangers can be kept running for cheap. Hell, my dad is still driving a Mazda 323 (NZ assembled!) around that we bought about 12 years ago and it is still going strong. Had a couple of CV joints done, clutch, couple of sets of tires, brake pads, various dents removed and it is still going strong at I believe around 350k kms (about 20k of which I probably put on and I was NOT soft on the thing). Cost $2.5k

[jono035]

uh uh - here's one 30mm... and does about mach 0.7

The actual Gatling gun refers to the original hand-cranked cannon-carriage mounted version, invented by Watshiznehm Gatling. The modern ones are multi-barrel rotary auto-cannons (for smoothbore ones like that one you linked) or something.

Least that was always my understanding of it...

[ManDownUnder]

The actual Gatling gun refers to the original hand-cranked cannon-carriage mounted version, invented by Watshiznehm Gatling. The modern ones are multi-barrel rotary auto-cannons (for smoothbore ones like that one you linked) or something.

Least that was always my understanding of it...

I hear ya (but did you notice the word "FAIL" on the screen... very apt I thought)

[jono035]

I hear ya (but did you notice the word "FAIL" on the screen... very apt I thought)

Lol nice, hadn't actually watched the vid.

[skidMark]

Heh. Pull the other one, it hath bells on.

http://www.mtedenmotorcycles.co.nz/s...nja+ZX-6R.html
Initial cost of an 09 zx6r inc GST: $18,595.00
http://www.ccs.co.nz/new+cars/porsch...11+carrera+gt3
Initial cost of a 09 Porsche GT3 (Arguably similar purpose): Price NZ$270,000
http://www.thecaryard.co.nz/results....&cboCategory=1
Initial cost of a used 09 Mazda 3: $31,995.00

And I guarantee buying and fitting a part for the porsche is likely to cost as much as a replacement engine on the zx6r. And forget about tyres.

Cost to fill my mini: $50
Range: ~350k on a tank
Cost to fill my GSF: $25
Range:~220k on a tank

Safer? Can't argue with that, statistics don't lie!

As for firearms, having been raised in the UK where guns are a no-no I haven't had much experience with them. But I find it offensive when the government decides to increase limitations under the guise of 'safety'. If you are spending more money then I doubt safety is its actual purpose. Shouldn't there be a way for the general public to say 'back off' when the government gets too over protective? (and don't say vote for the other guy, that doesn't make much difference to this kind of thing) We don't need babying ffs. Well, some of us do, but darwin has his ways..

Hit puberty...

do some drugs...

then post.

[jono035]

Not very. And not the best for a killing spree either. They need a couple of guys to wheel the thing around and are easily outflanked (basically harmless unless you walk in front of them).

One would be far better off with a "run of the mill" automatic rifle.

Similar idea to them banning .50 cal rifles in California to stop terrorists shooting planes out of the sky.

The average .50 cal shooter is something like a middle-aged white male working in a middle-management role making around 80-120k US per year... There has never been any issues with .50 cals being used in crime at all, in fact so called 'assault weapons' as classified by their legislation occurred in something like 4% of all gun crime. Probably less after you adjust to remove gang-related crime *sigh*

[Shadows]

The average .50 cal shooter is something like a middle-aged white male working in a middle-management role making around 80-120k US per year...

Like this dumbarse?

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc[/YOUTUBE]

[scumdog]

Like this dumbarse?

I watched that one a while ago - amazing the bullet bounced back that far - and so directly in the shooters direction too!

I've had a few bullet bounce off 'targets' - but never straight back at me. (although I did get a splinter from one embeded in my forehead)

[skidMark]

I always preferred this clip

[YOUTUBE]FRgYtp3HfvY[/YOUTUBE]

[wbks]

Fake.Fake. I wasn't there, but it's hard to believe that would ever happen. Especially with a .50. Wouldn't it just crush and drop, even if it bounced back slightly?

[mynameis]

I miss Sky TV

Here's one for you :

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO8RxJ_rvJQ&feature=related[/youtube]

[jono035]

Fake.Fake. I wasn't there, but it's hard to believe that would ever happen. Especially with a .50. Wouldn't it just crush and drop, even if it bounced back slightly?

Not a fake. Not the bullet bouncing either. It's pretty hard to get an entire bullet turned around and coming back at you unless you've done something very wrong with what you're shooting into (rocks for instance).

It's actually the jacket being shedded as it goes through the target. You hear them say at the end 'nope, no more iron' because they are shooting at steel targets. When the bullet hits the target the denser lead core punches a hole through, scraping the copper jacket off on the outside. Once it is done, the copper springs back and heads pretty damn close to straight where it came from.

Don't shoot steel targets with jacketed rifle rounds.

Edit: If it was even a fragment of the original bullet he wouldn't have stood up afterwards. A 22LR to the head can kill you, doesn't take much in the way of pieces of .50 cal bullet to equal a .22 bullet.

[scumdog]

Not a fake. Not the bullet bouncing either. It's pretty hard to get an entire bullet turned around and coming back at you unless you've done something very wrong with what you're shooting into (rocks for instance).

It's actually the jacket being shedded as it goes through the target. You hear them say at the end 'nope, no more iron' because they are shooting at steel targets. When the bullet hits the target the denser lead core punches a hole through, scraping the copper jacket off on the outside. Once it is done, the copper springs back and heads pretty damn close to straight where it came from.

Don't shoot steel targets with jacketed rifle rounds.

Edit: If it was even a fragment of the original bullet he wouldn't have stood up afterwards. A 22LR to the head can kill you, doesn't take much in the way of pieces of .50 cal bullet to equal a .22 bullet.

Yup, listen carefully and you can hear the clang of the bullet strike just before the puff of dust on front of the shooter.