The navy hates me.

[popa griffin]

Now is the second time i have been given the boot.

This just recent time was for my shoulder > which passed a medical to start with. Only to get me kicked out after i had spent over 1k buying stuff, and traveled up on sunday for the BCT.

Now im out of a job and pocket.

I could just kill the navy right now.

[ajturbo]

you forget to bend over and pick up the soap????

[Warr]

Thats gota suck ... can there be a next time ??

[firefighter]

What exactly did you spend 1k on? Tell me it was'nt at hotshots!

Why were you kicked out the first time?

[popa griffin]

just bits and peices of everything is where the money went, clothes, shoes, bag, and so on.

I acutally did drop the soap... but i squatted to get it.

And the first time was for drugs..... the legal kind i was given by a doctor.. prednisone or something.

and next time will be a minimum of 12months away... Dont know if i can be botherd waiting that long.

[eelracing]

and next time will be a minimum of 12months away... Dont know if i can be botherd waiting that long.

Then you got 12 months to build that shoulder up and get into the right headspace.

If you want it badly then you can do it,you bought all that gear so your enthusiasm is there.Just don't beat yourself up to much over this setback,coz thats all it is...a set back.

Keep working at it,the armed forces can be a great choice for a young man.

[JimO]

$1000 ......what ....do you have to buy your own warship now??

[YLWDUC]

$1000 ......what ....do you have to buy your own warship now??

Even a frigate is expensive, maybe a new paddle for the war canoe. But seriously, I thought the navy was trying to increases its numbers, how does it do that by screwing around (no pun intended) with potential recruits?

[rickstv]

WOW, If you wait a year the technology in the navy will be way cooler. Better missiles, better everything, even better ships..........Wait...... did you say NZ
Navy....as you were.

[one fast tl1ooo]

thats gota piss you off a tad

[Mully]

Gutted man.

I was going to join the Navy as a Marine Technician. Did all the test and whatnot.

Decided against it, much to my mother's disgust. They kept sending me letters: "D'ya wanna join now?"

[Swoop]

Join the Aussie Navy. Better toys, etc.

The chefs on the submarines are now earning more than the admirals!

They still have trouble recruiting though. The "recession" still hasn't hit hard enough...

June 9, 2009: Yet another shocking revelation about the Australian submarine force is the fact that the cooks onboard these boats make more (about $160,000 a year) than some admirals. It's all about morale, which is very important on submarines. A major component of good morale in all navies is the food, and this is particularly true on submarines. Australia's booming economy has created a shortage of skilled personnel. Being able to produce good food in the crowded confines of a submarine galley requires a skilled chef with excellent organizational skills, and the ability to master basic skills required of all who serve on a sub. Turns out that there are not many men in Australia who possess this skill set. Thus while basic pay for a navy cook is $47,000, it grows quickly once you add the bonuses for being at sea, in a submarine, and hard to recruit. There are three cooks on each sub.
The Australian Navy has six Collins class subs, which are the core of Australian naval power, and the sailors who serve on these boats are not happy, even with the good food. The sailors feel unappreciated and overworked. Many find the work boring, and feel they spend too much time at sea. Half of the submarine sailors tend to get out of the navy as soon as their current enlistments were up.

As a result, only enough qualified sailors are available to provide crews for three of the six Collins class subs. Right now, maintenance problems have resulted in only one of the boats being able to go to sea.

Each sub requires a crew of 45 highly trained sailors (eight of them officers.) The initial navy response was to offer large cash bonuses to get existing submarine sailors to stay in the navy, and to attract qualified recruits to serve on subs. This helped a bit, but at the expense of officer morale. The bonuses increased sailors annual pay by up to the point that officers were making less than many of the men they commanded. Despite that, not enough new recruits were attracted. The submarine service has high standards, thus many of those who were interested, were not qualified to undertake the long training courses. The global recession may help, because the Australian economy has been booming, providing many opportunities for the kind of guys who would qualify for the submarine service.

The Collins class boats were built in Australia during the 1990s, and are based on a Swedish design (the Type 471.) At 3,000 tons displacement, the Collins are half the size of the American Los Angeles class nuclear attack subs, but are nearly twice the size of s European non-nuclear subs. Australia needed larger boats because of the sheer size of the oceans in the area.

There were a lot of technical problems with the Collins class boats, which the media jumped all over. The design of these subs was novel and ambitious, using a lot of automation. This reduced the crew size to 45, but resulted in a higher workload for the submarine sailors. This is a major reason for the morale problem. Another problem with the small crew was that every one of the sailors had to be pretty sharp to begin with, then required years of training to learn the job, and more responsibility for each sailor as well.

The Australian navy has been suffering from a serious geek shortage for several years now. With a total strength of 13,000, being short a few dozen people in some job categories can have serious repercussions, and that's what happened to the submarine force. For example, the navy is short about a third of the marine engineering officers it needs. There are less serious shortages in officers specializing in electrical systems and weapons systems. Australian warships have been active in the war on terror, resulting in many crews being away from home for up to six months at a time. There are shortages of both officers and sailors with technical skills.

The situation is further complicated by a booming economy, and big demand for those with engineering degrees, and a few years of experience. This makes it easy for engineering officers to leave the navy and get a higher paying, and more comfortable, civilian job. The navy is responding with cash bonuses, better living and working conditions, and other fringe benefits. But the submarine force cannot have their working conditions improved much. While the subs are of modern design and recent construction, they are still subs. That means not much space or privacy in there.

All Western navies have similar problems, and have applied similar solutions, with some degree of success. U.S. subs have the advantage of being larger (the nuclear propulsion) and with larger crews (nearly three times the size of the Collins class boats). This apparently helps. Other nations have small, modern, diesel-electric boats like the Collins class, but do not send them off on long voyages. Australia can't avoid the long voyages, because Australia is surrounded by large water areas, that require a lot of travel time to traverse. It is boring to transit all of that distance, and that was exactly what the dispirited sailors reported when asked. At the moment, there is no solution in sight. So while Australia can buy modern submarines, they have not yet found a way to obtain crews to operate the boats.

[Hoon]

Due to the recession, recruiting numbers are through the roof and they can afford to be picky now. Some Army units have even stopped recruiting as they have already exceeded their quota for the year. Even for those that are already in things are a lot tougher, more pressure on us to turn up to training, pass fitness tests regularly and drug testing. Guys are now getting the boot for any criminal conviction i.e. drunk driving and this is just part time soldiers! Those not performing are being pressured to shape up or ship out to make room for those that will.

I'm all for it though - just looking around the ranks everyone is leaner, meaner and tougher now.