Motard scarcity at VMCC. Options?

[Billy]

Something to do with the vic club has obviously got up your nose Billy !
I have read a number of your posts and have found all to be constructive, this sort of stuff (public dissing) don't sound like you mate !

All i am doing here Bill is pointing out the facts,It has nothing to do with a vendetta against the vic club,I think they do a very good job of running their series and the people involved are all good enthusiastic people who are doing the best they can.But to get on a public forum and confuse everybody with a misaligned statement as Andrew has done here is not going to help anyone.Has it crossed anybodys mind that this could be part of the reason for low numbers in some classes ??Not that I seriously think it is but has anybody asked the riders that question ??The problem Ive found with these forum thingys is,If you write something that could be taken as either Negative or Positive,It always seems to be construed as negative.

[Billy]

Billy - you should know that the wet tyre rule at Taupo has nothing to do with the Vic Club.
We do hold the Check Hement Strap board up (as well as check them ourselves).

1 If the wet tyre rule at Taupo had nothing to do with the Vic club,Then why was it you were seen actively enforcing it.Of course it has something to do with the Vic club,You guys are running the meeting,As an official you should know the rulebook inside out.
2 If you are now holding the check helmet strap board up,As the rulebook states you must,Then it must only have started this past weekend as at rd 2 I had to remind of it.While its a bloody good idea to check them if you have sufficient time and manpower,But essentially its not your responsibility to physically check them however it is the grid marshalls responsibility too ensure that board is held up!
Once again you have misunderstood the post.If you cant read that post and think,Oh yea hes right,Maybe we dont run exactly too the rulebook because weve got supp regs,Maybe we need to be more clear about some of our rulings,Then thats your problem not mine

[sinfull]

The problem Ive found with these forum thingys is,If you write something that could be taken as either Negative or Positive,It always seems to be construed as negative.

Fair enough Billy, i don't really know enough to comment on anything else, but agree with you re how comments usually get constued as negative and i appologise !

[Billy]

Fair enough Billy, i don't really know enough to comment on anything else, but agree with you re how comments usually get constued as negative and i appologise !

No apology needed,Everybodys entitled too an opinion.If I dont say it,Who will? and the same goes for anybody else on a public forum

[Skunk]

1 If the wet tyre rule at Taupo had nothing to do with the Vic club,Then why was it you were seen actively enforcing it.Of course it has something to do with the Vic club,You guys are running the meeting,As an official you should know the rulebook inside out.

But if the MNZ Steward tells the club to do something at a meeting we MUST do it. You must know that...

2 If you are now holding the check helmet strap board up,As the rulebook states you must,Then it must only have started this past weekend as at rd 2 I had to remind of it.

I'm late holding it up once and now we don't do it? Come on... Anyway the rule states it must be shown to the riders. Nothing about holding it up at all.

While its a bloody good idea to check them if you have sufficient time and manpower,But essentially its not your responsibility to physically check them however it is the grid marshalls responsibility too ensure that board is held up!

We have to check the back protectors anyway...

Once again you have misunderstood the post.If you cant read that post and think,Oh yea hes right,Maybe we dont run exactly too the rulebook because weve got supp regs,Maybe we need to be more clear about some of our rulings,Then thats your problem not mine

My problem is you post all these issues here on this forum (in a thread about Motards and why they aren't turning up) and we don't see them coming to the Club by any official channel.

I'm sick of people taking pot-shots at VOLUNTEERS at every chance.

[Billy]

But if the MNZ Steward tells the club to do something at a meeting we MUST do it. You must know that...
I'm late holding it up once and now we don't do it? Come on... Anyway the rule states it must be shown to the riders. Nothing about holding it up at all.
We have to check the back protectors anyway...
My problem is you post all these issues here on this forum (in a thread about Motards and why they aren't turning up) and we don't see them coming to the Club by any official channel.

I'm sick of people taking pot-shots at it's VOLUNTEERS at every chance.

Have a word too yourself mate.You stated earlier in the thread you run to MNZ rules,All I did was point out that you dont and why I thought you didnt.If you dont want people taking popshots at you DONT tell porkies!! and furthermore I have sent a number of emails to the club regarding my concerns and not 1 bit of feedback not too mention countless hours on the phone to Dee Wintle,Clive Banks,Trevor Delaney and Paul Booth when he was on the commitee.Oh by the way,If the MNZ steward told you a metre was 300mm long I assume youd shorten your ruler???HAVE A NICE DAY

[Skunk]

If the MNZ steward told you a metre was 300mm long I assume youd shorten your ruler?

Yes, we'd have to. He's in control. I wouldn't agree - but I'd have to do it.

Sorry if we don't follow every rule to the letter but we'd like people to enjoy themselves. We do the best a small bunch of (mostly) unthanked, unpaid, volunteers can.

Seems we fall well short of expectation. Perhaps we should ALL give it up until we can do it right?

Thanks for pointing out a few things we are getting wrong. I'll note them down for the next committee meeting.

Now, what were the reasons Motards are not turning up?

[Sparky Bills]

Have a word too yourself mate.You stated earlier in the thread you run to MNZ rules,All I did was point out that you dont and why I thought you didnt.If you dont want people taking popshots at you DONT tell porkies!! and furthermore I have sent a number of emails to the club regarding my concerns and not 1 bit of feedback not too mention countless hours on the phone to Dee Wintle,Clive Banks,Trevor Delaney and Paul Booth when he was on the commitee.Oh by the way,If the MNZ steward told you a metre was 300mm long I assume youd shorten your ruler???HAVE A NICE DAY

This really isnt the thread for this.
It started off asking what is to be done with the motard class. Keep it going or not.
These guys/girls are all giving up their time for us. If you keep pushing them they will simply turn around and say why do I even bother...
Just let it go and let the thread get back on topic.

[ajw_888]

I'd be there in a flash but I'm a little short at the mo.

[slowpoke]

If you write something that could be taken as either Negative or Positive,It always seems to be construed as negative.

I reckon time, place and tone have sumthin' to do with it.

Take this thread for example, any of your posts could probably be seen as fair comments but taken in total, combined with the public off topic nature would lead someone to assume, rightly or wrongly, that you aren't happy with the way VMCC are running things.

Not having a go, just reread a few posts and pretend you are a VMCC volounteer....

Personally I reckon they do a great job, and to expect unpaid volounteers who help out at 6 events (some would do less than that) a year to know the nuances of every rule is just unreasonable. It's club racing after all, with both officials and riders learning and improving as we go. All you can ask is that people do their best and cut 'em a bit of slack when things don't quite go to plan.

Not holding up a "check helmet strap" board occasionally is getting a bit nit picky dontcha think? If a rider has to be told how to wear a helmet there's sumthin' wrong. To VMCC's credit I've never gone on track without having to lift my head to show the strap or had a love tap on the back checking my back protector.

But referring all this back to motards, which the thread is about, all classes experience the ups and downs of club racing. I can recall Nick Prestige and someone else in F2 also caught out at Taupo by the tricky conditions/wet weather rules and missing a race because of it, so motards aren't experiencing anything unique. Nick and co sucked it up and fronted up at the next round, so the question remains: where are the motards and why aren't they racing?

My feeling is that full circuits are seen as boring to motard riders (if you wanted to keep the wheels in line you'd buy a road bike wouldntcha?) and hard on the machines. All of which just goes to show how frikkin' special that big beautiful boy Quasi really is......

[TK3]

This type of feedback is exactly what I need to hear. We could do very well to be more consistent. One of the difficulties we have are that sometimes the MNZ rules are open to interpretation and unfortunately, misunderstanding and it is the steward who always has the final say on the day. I think it is understood now that motards can enter F3 if they ride foot-up style. VMCC have supplementary regs that rule motards out of other classes because that is the way we wanted it. To change this we would need to go back to MNZ and get our events re-permitted. We figure give motards their own class and try to please more people. In motard only races, leg out is perfectly legit. This is really good food for thought. Thanks.

Welcome, I am actually in great support of the Vic club meetings and have found them to be, by far the best run club meetings in New Zealand... well the north island anyway, you guys do an awesome job and it was great to see this year that you have varied thing up a lot with the tracks and short and long race meets, I was disappointed last year with how the motards were treated like second class citer... ceters.... cieterson.... people. But glad to see a post like this to sort things out. Big ups for putting your hands up. All and all I think keep doing what your doing except make sure everyone comes to see the motards race cause deep down we all know everyone jealous of us cause we are the best...

Ps I am back racing at the next round

[gatch]

From a spectator point of view I am not much of a fan of the motards. At manfield anyway...

I know that the numbers are sufficient to form a grid but with 3km of track to spread out over and the bikes not being suited to extended periods of wide open throttle, it does not make for very good viewing. Please note I am not just taking a shot at the competitiors just because, I just thought I would throw in a voice from a different angle..

[roadracingoldfart]

I just counted the threads with referance to "a Motard cant hold a full throttle down a big long straight " theme.

I want to know , why is it people think a modern 4stroke multi valve single cant hold a full throttle for half the bloody island ??.

If its geared correctly and jetted well then i would have severe issues with any brand engine not holding together.

Seriously , are we expected to accept all single 4 strokes are time bombs with 30 second throw away pistons ??

If that was the ratio then a ducati would only last 1 min before it blows and we all know they stopped chucking cases in about 1990 lol.

Paul.

[Quasievil]

I just counted the threads with referance to "a Motard cant hold a full throttle down a big long straight " theme.

I tap mine out to ten tenths and I have never had a issue, its setup correctly and tuned correctly so bring it on I say.
One year racing and nothing damaged as a result either.

[roadracingoldfart]

I tap mine out to ten tenths and I have never had a issue, its setup correctly and tuned correctly so bring it on I say.
One year racing and nothing damaged as a result either.

Eggsackly .... !!!

And we all know a Motard with a sack of spuds on it goes really fast down the 10/10ths straight aye .
I aint ever seen a 4 stroke crap its load due to that sort of work , a 2 stroke yes , when ya back off for the first turn haha.

I hate creative reasoning to create a scapegoat.