Motard scarcity at VMCC. Options?

[Kickaha]

One year racing and nothing damaged as a result either.

Not even crash damage?

[Shorty_925]

I just counted the threads with referance to "a Motard cant hold a full throttle down a big long straight " theme.

I want to know , why is it people think a modern 4stroke multi valve single cant hold a full throttle for half the bloody island ??.

If its geared correctly and jetted well then i would have severe issues with any brand engine not holding together.

Seriously , are we expected to accept all single 4 strokes are time bombs with 30 second throw away pistons ??

If that was the ratio then a ducati would only last 1 min before it blows and we all know they stopped chucking cases in about 1990 lol.

Paul.

The chances of it going bang are higher. The bikes werent designed to be tapped out for long periods, as you simply cant do that on a motox track . Yes if geared correctly then wouldnt have to worry, unlike myself on saturday, where i was under geared so finding the limiter far too early and im not about to sit on the limiter and wait for my bike to say enough. Maintenance levels were set for the bike being raced at motox, not open road race tracks, so to be on the safe side instead of saying good bye to a load of cash.

[roadracingoldfart]

The chances of it going bang are higher. The bikes werent designed to be tapped out for long periods, as you simply cant do that on a motox track . Yes if geared correctly then wouldnt have to worry, unlike myself on saturday, where i was under geared so finding the limiter far too early and im not about to sit on the limiter and wait for my bike to say enough. Maintenance levels were set for the bike being raced at motox, not open road race tracks, so to be on the safe side instead of saying good bye to a load of cash.

My initial reaction to your post is ...... "my bike isnt suitable to road racing "

but ill re-read it before i post a reply , ok.

Paul.

[gatch]

I just counted the threads with referance to "a Motard cant hold a full throttle down a big long straight " theme.

I want to know , why is it people think a modern 4stroke multi valve single cant hold a full throttle for half the bloody island ??.

If its geared correctly and jetted well then i would have severe issues with any brand engine not holding together.

Seriously , are we expected to accept all single 4 strokes are time bombs with 30 second throw away pistons ??

If that was the ratio then a ducati would only last 1 min before it blows and we all know they stopped chucking cases in about 1990 lol.

Paul.

Sorry if my post was not clear, I do not mean to imply that they CAN'T, just that they are not intended for this purpose as are other race bikes.

[scracha]

Sorry if my post was not clear, I do not mean to imply that they CAN'T, just that they are not intended for this purpose as are other race bikes.

So basically we've to shorten the track (cones) for 8 or 9 bikes that no other class particularly wants to race with ? Honestly, as much as I feel sorry for Quasi and the other guys that do make the effort to turn up, if they don't start showing up in numbers then they should be ditched IMHO. If Manfield is too long for them then they should be racing around car parks.

[Shorty_925]

Carparks would be good but with 7 day trading that we have here there isnt really the chance, though a night race around a mitre10 mega seems like a good thought...

[tee]

public roads are fine too.....

[Sketchy_Racer]

I'm of the opinion of that if there aren't enough entry's for a class regardless of the type of class then they need to be removed, that is if they can't be put into another class. The only class motards would really fit into at a VMCC meeting is F3, which is usually fully subscribed anyway, and it certainly wouldn't be fair to toss the F3 riders out of their class to fit motards in now would it!
Motards have there place, without a doubt and do make a good cross over from MX to road racing, but I don't think the VMCC series is the one to do it. They run road race series, and have done there best to accomodate the motards. However there is a motard only race series being started soon I believe which will be really good for the sport!

Cheers,

-Glen

[Deano]

it certainly wouldn't be fair to toss the F3 riders out of their class to fit motards in now would it!
Motards have there place,

I agree Glenn. Not much in life is fair, and personally I would like to see Motards going the same way as overseas - that is a combination of dirt and tar - it was great to watch at Wangas a couple of years ago.

Anything less seems to be a second cousin to the "real thing". I would be interested to see how many MXers/motarders would cross over if the Motard class was a combination of dirt/tar.

It may not be practicable at Manfeild if they are going to bring dirt back onto the track but surely there is some common ground to work on here ?

[Clivoris]

I think that the logic of what Glen, Deano and others are saying is pretty sensible. It does however seem that the VMCC could be doing some things better. We need some input this season at the committee level from Motardeers about what would work. I hear the call for more consistency in rule application and I think we have it sorted now. Which circuit we race is another issue, as we have had Motardeers request the same circuit as the others. Can't please everyone I guess. More and more I'm thinking that tarmac oriented Motardeers would do well to get alongside bucket racers.
I really appreciate the input in this thread people. Thanks.

[slowpoke]

. More and more I'm thinking that tarmac oriented Motardeers would do well to get alongside bucket racers.

That is the best idea I've heard so far, and I'd definitely go along to watch.

[Skunk]

More and more I'm thinking that tarmac oriented Motardeers would do well to get alongside bucket racers.

Where? Slipway won't work. Kaitoke and many other kart tracks - no way.

Back circuit at Manfeild? Have to talk to Manfeild about that - can't see it though.

Good idea but I doubt it's workable without some real effort.

[Clivoris]

Where? Slipway won't work. Kaitoke and many other kart tracks - no way.

Back circuit at Manfeild? Have to talk to Manfeild about that - can't see it though.

Good idea but I doubt it's workable without some real effort.

Oh bugger. I should have known it was too simple.

[ajturbo]

Where? Slipway won't work. Kaitoke and many other kart tracks - no way.

Back circuit at Manfeild? Have to talk to Manfeild about that - can't see it though.

Good idea but I doubt it's workable without some real effort.

we have looked at the possibility of using the back circuit along side the 150's... but it would need a duplicate race committee... are there enough motardeers and 150's supports to do this????

[Pumba]

Where? Slipway won't work. Kaitoke and many other kart tracks - no way.

We do let the Motards run up here at Mt Welly on the oval, great to watch, but there have been less of them turning up over the last year.

I know they run at Tamuranui Kart Track, which has the dedicated off road section (short but it is off road). Do they run at Roys Hills??

But I agree motard would be no fun at the slipway, and I wouldnt like to see them using Kaitoke after all the effort that has gone in by the welly crew.

My $0.02 anyway.