Flags, colours, and their use

[FROSTY:Me]

Best solution so far, however it still relies on the competitors knowing what the flags mean and then obeying them

Perhaps penalties for disobeying the flag signals?

I havent renewed my licence fro two years now-Do they issue the rule book with new licences like they used to?
I raised this in another thread. If a person wants a race licence maybee they FIRST get sent out the rule book and a questioneer to answer. Send back the questioneer with 100% correct answers then get sent your licence.

[Kickaha]

I havent renewed my licence fro two years now-Do they issue the rule book with new licences like they used to?

Not unless you request it, easier to keep them updated online

[FROSTY:Me]

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Billy has had several goes at me for not following the MNZ rulebook to the letter, now you're telling me I shouldn't and it's complex.

Just to clarify my comment here. I (me speaking for myself) feel that the machine specification part of the rule book needs to be looked at in a serious way. This discussion in hindsight is NOT the place to make that comment as it confuses the matter at hand where the rules of conduct are actually very clearcut.

[Skunk]

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This discussion in hindsight is NOT the place to make that comment as it confuses the matter at hand where the rules of conduct are actually very clearcut.

We have to hold up a 'check helmet strap' sign for a certain length of time. The way VMCC do it is to physically check the riders strap and that they have a back protector on. I think VMCC's way is more thorough. But VMCC still must show the sign. This is one thing Billy has pulled me up on - I wasn't aware of it as a requirement.
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[FROSTY:Me]

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We have to hold up a 'check helmet strap' sign for a certain length of time. The way VMCC do it is to physically check the riders strap and that they have a back protector on. I think VMCC's way is more thorough. But VMCC still must show the sign. This is one thing Billy has pulled me up on - I wasn't aware of it as a requirement.
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Its a requirement to display the check helmet strap.FIM rule of which MNZ is an affilliate.
A serious suggestion for you is to grab a copy of the latest MNZ rule book you can find and have a read up.
Not the motorcycle tecnical stuff but the safety stuff.
For example rule 6.10 is interesting and might explain a F2 riders reaction to being taken out

[Skunk]

One thing with the Board and Black/Orange flag is the time required to relay the info to the checkpoint and get them to do it. Due to no fault of anyone's (Bike noise, distractions, other voices on the radio etc) the message is lost or delayed too long. Another issue is some races have bikes with the same number on them... This is purely logistical - not an excuse by me as to why VMCC don't use them on every flag point.

[Skunk]

I've read the thing - don't worry. I have a much better understanding of the rule book than I did when Billy pulled me up on that.

But do you not agree that a physical check is better than a sign?

I have no idea what you are referring to with rule 6.10... It's to do with overtaking.

[Billy]

I've read the thing - don't worry. I have a much better understanding of the rule book than I did when Billy pulled me up on that.

But do you not agree that a physical check is better than a sign?

Absolutely it is,But as I explained too you at the National round,If its in the rulebook then it has too be done,Otherwise you are left open to protest from the riders.To be honest,When I first saw that board held up at the WSBK round at Manfeild back in 88,I thought WTF do we need that for!

[Skunk]

I'm not disagreeing with you Billy - I think the whole rule book needs a good going over. That's all. If it's in the rules it must be followed.
I wish some Stewards knew the rule book too.

[MSTRS:Me]

The thing about 'rules' is that (mostly) they are there for good reason - ie painful lessons demonstrated the need for them. Sometimes, rules may become obselete due to changes in technology, or changes in other procedures...but once in the handbook, it's a bitch to prove they are no longer needed. Just as hard to get a new rule included, since without a major incident to prove the need, why would anyone want more rules?
And sometimes (just like some statutes) a rule is a good one, but the way it's written needs to be addressed.

[FROSTY:Me]

Actually one thing this has highlighted is a lack of flag knowledge.
I think an information rather than discussion thread would be a good idea.

[Shaun]

Actually one thing this has highlighted is a lack of flag knowledge.
I think an information rather than discussion thread would be a good idea.

Ha ha why, how many people involved in this thread even race a bike mate? If a rider cannot learn the rules them selves, they are a moron, and should be kicked off a race track

[FROSTY:Me]

Ha ha why, how many people involved in this thread even race a bike mate? If a rider cannot learn the rules them selves, they are a moron, and should be kicked off a race track

They don't need to actually RACE. The racers are in my opinion right down at the bottom of the information chain.
ANYONE INVOLVED in running a meeting should be aware.
If anything this thread has highlighted a lack of that knowledge.

And mate I apreciate where you are coming from but I'm reading back on my own -wanna go racing thread and NOWHERE did it say --Ohh and you need to know the rules/flags. (fixed now)
I think Vic club could POTENTIALLY fall victim to its own success if this issue isn't adressed.

[MSTRS:Me]

Actually one thing this has highlighted is a lack of flag knowledge.
I think an information rather than discussion thread would be a good idea.

Post #2 pretty much covers that