$48,000 P.A. no skills easy hours, call me.

[ducatilover]

The government needed to offer that mother $10,000 cash in exchange for getting her tubes tied. I'm sure she'd have taken the deal and the government would have saved $1000s in the long run.

I don't think she should be offered anything short of a prison sentence. 12 children, 10 of which suffer from varying degrees of fetal alcohol syndrome, it's criminal. Why should the tax payers be paying for her benefit?

[Grahameeboy]

I couldn't afford my courses, I got a loan, then to pay off said loan I got a job, it took a while to get a job over here, but, I got a job. I think some WINZ programs are reasonable, but some aren't. Caring for solo mothers is great if you ask me, especially with kids and/or medical problems. But to be paying big tax payer dollars too get the solo mother trained without [I am assuming] any guarantee of a job at the end of the training course is bloody silly. The reason they may be receiving $700+ pw may be because of circumstances, but as it has been pointed out, it's usually quite hard to survive by youself on the benefit let alone with kids. Incentive to get a job I think?

The subject women may actually, due to her circumstances, have problems working and caring for her sick child...it is hard to get a balance in this situation whereas maybe she wanted to have her own business which would have given her some flexibility if she employed someone....but perhaps it was not her calling at the end of the day

[Grahameeboy]

I don't think she should be offered anything short of a prison sentence. 12 children, 10 of which suffer from varying degrees of fetal alcohol syndrome, it's criminal. Why should the tax payers be paying for her benefit?

Because its really for the kids that benefit is given...they are the innocent.

[ducatilover]

The subject women may actually, due to her circumstances, have problems working and caring for her sick child...it is hard to get a balance in this situation whereas maybe she wanted to have her own business which would have given her some flexibility if she employed someone....but perhaps it was not her calling at the end of the day

I'm not relating the subject lady to the vile scum I speak of, but I thought it may be a side issue that perhaps is relevant. I would expect the subject woman is in circumstances that are not really shown to us through the media.

[jetboy]

so is it bad that we look after two children [8 and 10] with fetal alcohol syndrome when the useless mother is having her 12th child and 10 have been taken off her? We get paid to look after them and provide them with a loving and caring home with everything they can need, especially the needed one on one attention. Are people going to say that this government funded system is bad? I do not condone what the silly bint has done, in fact I despise her for doing such a terrible thing, and not just once. Would people rather let these mentally challenge and socially incompetent children suffer in the hands of some low life alcoholic breeding slave? Or have good people look after them and care for them and help as much as possible?

Your choice of words are fantastic!! Breeding slave haha!!

No, she should be made to work and have ZERO benefit and some form of sterilisation as she has proven she cannot look after her responsibilities. You should definitely get some assistance from the government and I applaud you for being a decent human being!

[ducatilover]

Because its really for the kids that benefit is given...they are the innocent.

But why should she receive a benefit when others, like my family and myself, are caring for her children? Yes, the children are innocent and I love them, but, she is not. I do not think she deserves any government support what soever I think she, like the struggling honest mothers, should be looking at finding employment and help funding her many kids now away from her.

[Grahameeboy]

I'm not relating the subject lady to the vile scum I speak of, but I thought it may be a side issue that perhaps is relevant. I would expect the subject woman is in circumstances that are not really shown to us through the media.

I understand now....sorry....and yes what you say is relevant.

[ducatilover]

Your choice of words are fantastic!! Breeding slave haha!!

No, she should be made to work and have ZERO benefit and some form of sterilisation as she has proven she cannot look after her responsibilities. You should definitely get some assistance from the government and I applaud you for being a decent human being!

Thank you and yes she should be sterilized. We do get government assistance, more then enough, these kids are better of in some ways than I was, except for the sad mental draw backs, which can never be fixed. All because of this incorrigible tramp of a mother

[jetboy]

Because its really for the kids that benefit is given...they are the innocent.

This "breeding slave" should get no benefit whatsoever. End of story.

The kids should be removed from the situation and placed with people like ducatilover, who should get the assistance from the government.

[Grahameeboy]

But why should she receive a benefit when others, like my family and myself, are caring for her children? Yes, the children are innocent and I love them, but, she is not. I do not think she deserves any government support what soever I think she, like the struggling honest mothers, should be looking at finding employment and help funding her many kids now away from her.

My point is that it is not the kids fault..are you saying that the kids should be penalised because of their parents and potentially end up in Foster homes....I can hear your response but at the end of the day it is more important that the kids stay with their biological Mum and at the end of the day $47,000 = a contribution of 1c per person to care for the kids...a small price to pay I reckon...how many of us have no problem paying money to Charity's to help kids in war torn countrys because of "Innocence" but when it comes to our own doorstep...it's a different matter...almost a reverse envy...

[Grahameeboy]

This "breeding slave" should get no benefit whatsoever. End of story.

The kids should be removed from the situation and placed with people like ducatilover, who should get the assistance from the government.

Not Hondalovers then......See my last post for answer to rest.I don't in an odd way disagree with you but I just see things from a different perspective.

[ducatilover]

My point is that it is not the kids fault..are you saying that the kids should be penalised because of their parents and potentially end up in Foster homes....I can hear your response but at the end of the day it is more important that the kids stay with their biological Mum and at the end of the day $47,000 = a contribution of 1c per person to care for the kids...a small price to pay I reckon...how many of us have no problem paying money to Charity's to help kids in war torn countrys because of "Innocence" but when it comes to our own doorstep...it's a different matter...almost a reverse envy...

No, what I am saying is, the mother should be penalized. I would love it if the kids could go stay with their biological mother, but, she is incapable of taking care of herself, let alone 11 children [1 died playing with matches in the family home]. The children do not understand that she is their biological mother, even at 8 and 10. As far as they care, we are their real family, we have provided for them and cared for them and I think they are part of our family now. But, if the mother was not a drunken wench with absolutely no compassion for the human life she and multiple individuals have created, then the children may be safe in her care. Until then, the children will be in a home with a loving family and may very well be adopted by us.

[ducatilover]

Not Hondalovers then......See my last post for answer to rest.I don't in an odd way disagree with you but I just see things from a different perspective.

The children are in real danger if they lived with her again, she does no parenting whatsoever nor does she supervise them, which they NEED 24/7. That is why one burnt to death. I am saying they are better off in every way with us, than with her. She shouldn't be provided for, she should provide for her children, she has already fucked them by drinking whilst pregnant, why not attempt to redeem some sort of morale she lacks?

[Winston001]

I honestly fail to understand what problem my answers are causing some of you.

My point is this: The benefit should be in place to assist people in need. I do not believe the taxpayer should contribute to the cost of raising a child if all reasonable steps were not taken by the parents of that child to support it themselves.

Actually your attitudes and responsibility are refreshing and you'll find many many KBers who agree with you. All that's happening is people are saying life presents many shades of grey. Things happen.

We live in a social democracy. That means there is a social contract between each of us to protect each other in our hour of need. The government sets the policies.

Most wealthy nations are social democracies and its pretty much taken for granted world-wide.

Where the debate rages is the extent of the contract. How little should we pay? What should we pay for? Your ideas are as valuable as anyones.

[Finn]

Because its really for the kids that benefit is given...they are the innocent.

But Graham the problem is that the welfare system has allowed this to happen. It's a double whammy because it encourages the people we don't want breeding to breed like rabbits.

Remember, it's a safety net, not a friggen trampoline. All this social engineering has achieved is a massive dumbing down of the nation.