$48,000 P.A. no skills easy hours, call me.

[allycatz]

The children are in real danger if they lived with her again, she does no parenting whatsoever nor does she supervise them, which they NEED 24/7. That is why one burnt to death. I am saying they are better off in every way with us, than with her. She shouldn't be provided for, she should provide for her children, she has already fucked them by drinking whilst pregnant, why not attempt to redeem some sort of morale she lacks?

Alcoholism is an illness, she doesn't sound as if she has been capable of making rational decisions for herself let alone her children. Bit like drunk drivers who make decisions under the influence they would never make when sober. Sadly what was invented as a safety net for short term welfare has become a lifestyle choice for some and repeating itself through generations and cycles of abuse, alcohol and drugs. You only have to look at the circumstances of wee babies beaten to death to see where the system is letting kids down.

[ducatilover]

Alcoholism is an illness, she doesn't sound as if she has been capable of making rational decisions for herself let alone her children. Bit like drunk drivers who make decisions under the influence they would never make when sober. Sadly what was invented as a safety net for short term welfare has become a lifestyle choice for some and repeating itself through generations and cycles of abuse, alcohol and drugs. You only have to look at the circumstances of wee babies beaten to death to see where the system is letting kids down.

Then why not provide people such as herself with some sort of rehabilitation program? It would be beneficial, humane and cheaper. Everybody wins that way, including her. But the children can never win, they are at a huge disadvantage because of her mistakes, or, illness.

[jetboy]

But Graham the problem is that the welfare system has allowed this to happen. It's a double whammy because it encourages the people we don't want breeding to breed like rabbits.

Remember, it's a safety net, not a friggen trampoline. All this social engineering has achieved is a massive dumbing down of the nation.

Sadly what was invented as a safety net for short term welfare has become a lifestyle choice for some and repeating itself through generations and cycles of abuse, alcohol and drugs. You only have to look at the circumstances of wee babies beaten to death to see where the system is letting kids down.

And this is the root of the problem...no pun intended

[allycatz]

Then why not provide people such as herself with some sort of rehabilitation program? It would be beneficial, humane and cheaper. Everybody wins that way, including her. But the children can never win, they are at a huge disadvantage because of her mistakes, or, illness.

There are systems there but people have to want to help themselves, unlike a mental illness where treatment can be imposed where the individual is in danger of harming themselves or others. CYF's are walking on broken glass in trying to remove children from possible harm and the preference is leaving kids with the parent. There does of course have to be a suitable home to remove them to and one which isn't likely to put them at further disadvantage

[ducatilover]

There are systems there but people have to want to help themselves, unlike a mental illness where treatment can be imposed where the individual is in danger of harming themselves or others. CYF's are walking on broken glass in trying to remove children from possible harm and the preference is leaving kids with the parent. There does of course have to be a suitable home to remove them to and one which isn't likely to put them at further disadvantage

So alcoholism cannot be treated unless said individual is willing? Even if they have ruined so may lives before they even started? Even thought they continue to do so and cost us, the tax payers so much money? I think it is sick how this particular person can get away with what she has done, without paying a cent lent alone have the slightest dent in her conscience. We take the kids to family get togethers, she doesn't pay any attention to them. She has given birth to so many disadvantaged children, the majority of them are mentally incapable of taking care of themselves, so we willingly look after them, they need us, not her. She should be punished for what she has done, alcoholism in my mind is not a just reason to roll around with any Tom, Dick and Harold and make poor innocent children who are so disgustingly challenged! It really winds me up how she can just carry on doing what she wants to after all this abuse! Human rights activists would have hemorrhages at the thought of such things.

[allycatz]

Hey I'm not sticking up for her at all. I'm assuming that unless she has at sometime abandoned the kids i.e home alone or physically abused the kids, then how does she be punished by the law? She must of done something wrong to have lost custody? But yes, I agree, some encouragement to have her tubes tied would not go amiss

[ducatilover]

Hey I'm not sticking up for her at all. I'm assuming that unless she has at sometime abandoned the kids i.e home alone or physically abused the kids, then how does she be punished by the law? She must of done something wrong to have lost custody? But yes, I agree, some encouragement to have her tubes tied would not go amiss

I would expect them to have been abandoned when one innocent chap went up in flames in his closet....
I know you aren't sticking up for her.
Surely the "medical" condition these dear kids suffer from is reason enough to punish her? People would punish a Dog owner for doing less! Why not a human being who has time and time again literally fucked these kids? Bit silly really.

[buffstar]

So alcoholism cannot be treated unless said individual is willing? Even if they have ruined so may lives before they even started? Even thought they continue to do so and cost us, the tax payers so much money? I think it is sick how this particular person can get away with what she has done, without paying a cent lent alone have the slightest dent in her conscience. We take the kids to family get togethers, she doesn't pay any attention to them. She has given birth to so many disadvantaged children, the majority of them are mentally incapable of taking care of themselves, so we willingly look after them, they need us, not her. She should be punished for what she has done, alcoholism in my mind is not a just reason to roll around with any Tom, Dick and Harold and make poor innocent children who are so disgustingly challenged! It really winds me up how she can just carry on doing what she wants to after all this abuse! Human rights activists would have hemorrhages at the thought of such things.

Your story makes me sad and angry - and also gives a glimmer of hope.

sad for the kiddies who have been screwed over, and so so sad for the one who died
Angry for the way this woman is carring on and destroying lives, why cant we just put the 'bad dogs' down?
and the hope is provided from your obvious love for the kids you have with you............I take my hat off to you and your family.
as for hating hondas...............well nobody is completely perfect

[ducatilover]

Your story makes me sad and angry - and also gives a glimmer of hope.

sad for the kiddies who have been screwed over, and so so sad for the one who died
Angry for the way this woman is carring on and destroying lives, why cant we just put the 'bad dogs' down?
and the hope is provided from your obvious love for the kids you have with you............I take my hat off to you and your family.
as for hating hondas...............well nobody is completely perfect

Thank you very much.
The honda part is a joke, I have had two of them and loved them... In fact I still own one after 3 and a half years.
I am glad I can be one of the people willing to take care of these kids, they are brilliant children and am teaching one piano, the other is getting guitar lessons.

[allycatz]

I would expect them to have been abandoned when one innocent chap went up in flames in his closet....
I know you aren't sticking up for her.
Surely the "medical" condition these dear kids suffer from is reason enough to punish her? People would punish a Dog owner for doing less! Why not a human being who has time and time again literally fucked these kids? Bit silly really.

It is wrong...you can be imprisoned for passing on Aids but essentially she has fucked up these kids lives by causing a permanent illness

[ducatilover]

It is wrong...you can be imprisoned for passing on Aids but essentially she has fucked up these kids lives by causing a permanent illness

I could not agree more. It's not good enough

[Grahameeboy]

No, what I am saying is, the mother should be penalized. I would love it if the kids could go stay with their biological mother, but, she is incapable of taking care of herself, let alone 11 children [1 died playing with matches in the family home]. The children do not understand that she is their biological mother, even at 8 and 10. As far as they care, we are their real family, we have provided for them and cared for them and I think they are part of our family now. But, if the mother was not a drunken wench with absolutely no compassion for the human life she and multiple individuals have created, then the children may be safe in her care. Until then, the children will be in a home with a loving family and may very well be adopted by us.

Sorry you are talking about your situation..I was referring to the media case..I agree with you then

[Grahameeboy]

But Graham the problem is that the welfare system has allowed this to happen. It's a double whammy because it encourages the people we don't want breeding to breed like rabbits.

Remember, it's a safety net, not a friggen trampoline. All this social engineering has achieved is a massive dumbing down of the nation.

I see it's the Govt's fault....nothing like blaming others...sadly a trait of NZ...

[Finn]

I see it's the Govt's fault....nothing like blaming others...sadly a trait of NZ...

So you think it's a good idea for hardworking NZders to fund uneducated, lazy bitches to have 12 kids?

[Grahameeboy]

So you think it's a good idea for hardworking NZders to fund uneducated, lazy bitches to have 12 kids?

I was making a generalisation..DucatiLovers example is an extreme case...I am focusing on the subject that started thread...but having said NZ does tend to blame others...

On a side I don't get upset by this kind of thing....that's my "1c's" worth