$48,000 P.A. no skills easy hours, call me.

[Grahameeboy]

am surprised no one else has mentioned that one of our MPs travel kickbacks over a period of 6 months total 1/2 the total annual income quoted in the title of this thread...............we pay for that too

I would rather have my taxes going toward helping out a solo parent (not all are female btw) and their kid/s than flying some fatcat around.

I would also like to see a time limit of sorts put onto the DPB, my understanding is that there is sort of one imposed already, but in saying that I dont necessarily believe it.

Also I dont understand why NZ allows ppl to come over from other countries and sign up for a benefit within days of being here, once had a lady on the line (while working for WINZ) who was getting more than the $700pw lady, she was already on a bloody good wicket, had been granted special benefits on top of her "entitlements" and was ringing the call centre having a big fat cry that her close to $800 pw was not enuf - she sounded to be Arabic-ish?? I pointed out to her that she was getting more a week than I was and I was working 40hrs, also suggested that she was a tad cheeky.........all calls are recorded and I ended up being given a formal warning by my manager. Cant fuckn win with this one

I cannot get DPB that easily due to the changes in my custody...I wanted to fight and would have had a good chance of keeping my weekly custody and get some DPB but I did not want to put Nats through it all and the ex would have just hated me more....oddly she left but hey ho

[Goblin]

am surprised no one else has mentioned that one of our MPs travel kickbacks over a period of 6 months total 1/2 the total annual income quoted in the title of this thread...............we pay for that too

I would rather have my taxes going toward helping out a solo parent (not all are female btw) and their kid/s than flying some fatcat around.

Well here's a classic bene-bashing thread and within days our MP's travel expenses are made public. You're all pissed off at sole parents receiving piddly benefits yet the fatcats can spend millions in 6 months and no one bats an eyelid. Taxpayer pays for pollies to fly half way accross the world to visit family and that's ok? This is on top of their fat salaries and accommodation perks. Yeah...that seems fair enuff.

[spacemonkey]

Okay, 18 months is a bit long. Next time I'm down your way I'll stop by and you can wash my bike while I sit back and drink some of your beers. After this you can cook me a meal and we'll call it even.

You ever tried raising a kid on your own?
I'm picking not.
18 months training is only say..... half an apprenticeship.
18 months study balanced with looking after kids (which shuts down a lot of your study time) would be barley enough to turn out a useable employee.

As far as I'm concerned it is a very clear cut case of abuse of ministerial power in order to intimidate dissent and freedom of speech. if nothing else it is quite breath taking arrogance on the part of the government.

[Finn]

You ever tried raising a kid on your own?
I'm picking not.
18 months training is only say..... half an apprenticeship.
18 months study balanced with looking after kids (which shuts down a lot of your study time) would be barley enough to turn out a useable employee.

As far as I'm concerned it is a very clear cut case of abuse of ministerial power in order to intimidate dissent and freedom of speech. if nothing else it is quite breath taking arrogance on the part of the government.

That's why you educate yourself before you open sesame.

[jetboy]

When will the big-wigs take a stand and stop chucking our hard earned tax dollars at beneficiaries for shit like this?!

For fucks sake if you can't afford to get a degree then get a fucking job to pay for it...or get a student loan like other people.

I'm sick of people complaining they don't get enough from the government when they can STOP BEING LAZY FUCKERS AND GET A JOB!
Same goes for subsidised/free Maori training - what makes you think you deserve any special treatment...just go to school like everyone else and if you pass then you get to go to Uni, if not then go back and get your UE instead of complaining like a whiney little prick.

FFS



that was my little rant, over and out

[ducatilover]

When will the big-wigs take a stand and stop chucking our hard earned tax dollars at beneficiaries for shit like this?!

For fucks sake if you can't afford to get a degree then get a fucking job to pay for it...or get a student loan like other people.

I'm sick of people complaining they don't get enough from the government when they can STOP BEING LAZY FUCKERS AND GET A JOB!
Same goes for subsidised/free Maori training - what makes you think you deserve any special treatment...just go to school like everyone else and if you pass then you get to go to Uni, if not then go back and get your UE instead of complaining like a whiney little prick.

FFS



that was my little rant, over and out

I couldn't afford my courses, I got a loan, then to pay off said loan I got a job, it took a while to get a job over here, but, I got a job. I think some WINZ programs are reasonable, but some aren't. Caring for solo mothers is great if you ask me, especially with kids and/or medical problems. But to be paying big tax payer dollars too get the solo mother trained without [I am assuming] any guarantee of a job at the end of the training course is bloody silly. The reason they may be receiving $700+ pw may be because of circumstances, but as it has been pointed out, it's usually quite hard to survive by youself on the benefit let alone with kids. Incentive to get a job I think?

[Winston001]

Well here's a classic bene-bashing thread and within days our MP's travel expenses are made public. You're all pissed off at sole parents receiving piddly benefits yet the fatcats can spend millions in 6 months and no one bats an eyelid. Taxpayer pays for pollies to fly half way accross the world to visit family and that's ok? This is on top of their fat salaries and accommodation perks. Yeah...that seems fair enuff.

Now now Goblin, lets not go OT...

The cost of NZ Parliament is about $30 million/year. The cost of social welfare is.................$16 billion/year. Stopping all MPs would pay for two hours.....

[jetboy]

I couldn't afford my courses, I got a loan, then to pay off said loan I got a job, it took a while to get a job over here, but, I got a job. I think some WINZ programs are reasonable, but some aren't. Caring for solo mothers is great if you ask me, especially with kids and/or medical problems. But to be paying big tax payer dollars too get the solo mother trained without [I am assuming] any guarantee of a job at the end of the training course is bloody silly. The reason they may be receiving $700+ pw may be because of circumstances, but as it has been pointed out, it's usually quite hard to survive by youself on the benefit let alone with kids. Incentive to get a job I think?

I definitely understand the situation with regards to a solo mother in a bad position and in need of assistance - don't get me wrong as I think that's the sort of thing the benefit should be designed for...dependant on the surrounding circumstances.

I take issue with the people who use the benefit as an excuse to have kids, for example. Some people I went to school with got knocked up early on and thought it was OK to have the kiddies whilst still at school as the benefit would be there to support them.

Plan your life out as much as you can. I'm working hard (as I am sure most of you are) to build up a foundation on which to build a life and family on. I work to pay for things I want. If I want to go to university I don't get a handout - I have to pay my way. Why? Because I paid attention in school, got a job, and didn't get anyone pregnant.

I really don't mean to offend anyone when I say this (and again I stress that this I am not referring to genuine WINZ cases), but it fucks me right off when my hard earned cash goes toward someone who had kids early on and 'never had the opportunity to go to get a degree and get a decent job'. BULLSHIT. You had the same opportunities as I did, you just chose a different path.

[ducatilover]

I definitely understand the situation with regards to a solo mother in a bad position and in need of assistance - don't get me wrong as I think that's the sort of thing the benefit should be designed for...dependant on the surrounding circumstances.

I take issue with the people who use the benefit as an excuse to have kids, for example. Some people I went to school with got knocked up early on and thought it was OK to have the kiddies whilst still at school as the benefit would be there to support them.

Plan your life out as much as you can. I'm working hard (as I am sure most of you are) to build up a foundation on which to build a life and family on. I work to pay for things I want. If I want to go to university I don't get a handout - I have to pay my way. Why? Because I paid attention in school, got a job, and didn't get anyone pregnant.

I really don't mean to offend anyone when I say this (and again I stress that this I am not referring to genuine WINZ cases), but it fucks me right off when my hard earned cash goes toward someone who had kids early on and 'never had the opportunity to go to get a degree and get a decent job'. BULLSHIT. You had the same opportunities as I did, you just chose a different path.

I couldn't agree more

[jetboy]

we should move away from the old "scrounger argument"..money etc and look at the situation.

That's the problem - the benefit should be dependant on your personal situation. The case you refer to is worthy of the benefit - a mum who can't be bothered getting out of the house to work is not.

[allycatz]

That's the problem - the benefit should be dependant on your personal situation. The case you refer to is worthy of the benefit - a mum who can't be bothered getting out of the house to work is not.

The work still has to be there to apply for though and with understanding employers with regards to possible time off for kids sickness, school holidays etc. Full-time and after school childcare is not cheap even with a subsidy so any extra money earned from working gets swallowed up

[buffstar]

That's the problem - the benefit should be dependant on your personal situation. The case you refer to is worthy of the benefit - a mum who can't be bothered getting out of the house to work is not.

ahhhhh not to mention the couples who are together but the wife/gf is receiving the DPB also.........

[DMNTD:Me]

Full-time and after school childcare is not cheap even with a subsidy so any extra money earned from working gets swallowed up

True, however the person involved gets some work based training/work experience but more importantly their mindset changes to something a little more positive...a sense of self worth if you will.
Yes...I do have personal experience with this...

I got myself off the benefit once my physicality was sorted the best it could be. I was once told by a certain person at WINZ that I'd never have to work again due to my spine. Best motivation I ever had!


BTW....$700+ per week? WTF!!!!!!! Mine was less than half that!

[allycatz]

[QUOTE=DMNTD;1129333076][B]True, however the person involved gets some work based training/work experience but more importantly their mindset changes to something a little more positive...a sense of self worth if you will.

Yes...I do have personal experience with this

Yes so do I have personal experience, but it's kind of sad that a parent should be made to feel like the dregs of society for finding themselves bringing up a family alone when it may not of been their choice in the first place

[DMNTD:Me]

Yes so do I have personal experience, but it's kind of sad that a parent should be made to feel like the dregs of society for finding themselves bringing up a family alone when it may not of been their choice in the first place

Agreed...but done is done and what happens from there can only be improved by one's mindset, IMO.