$48,000 P.A. no skills easy hours, call me.

[buffstar]

yes I totally understand the frustration and angst of workers taxes paying for beneficiaries. I've paid tax before being on the DPB and have been paying taxes since, theres no need to be concerned as to where my 'baby daddy' is - but its cute that your concerned.

Yes benefit rates are public knowledge - as they should be. However every family has different entitlements depending on what their assets are, how many kids per family, any income they are earning, what rent/board/mortgage they are paying - and what area they are paying it in. So although the basic rate of the DPB ($272.70 pw) is public knowlege, the rate varies hugely dependant on circumstance.

As far as fathers working their asses off - Yes, that is fucked. Firstly that anyone who bore your spawn is entitled to a % of your wage through that merit alone is utter crap. Secondly if said mother of child is on the DPB you can be paying hundreds of dollars a week to IRD but the money dosnt even go to the kid, it goes to IRD to pay back what the govt is paying in DPB.

The thing that incenses me is that these ladies privacy has been breached, and although it may be easier to label them as bitches who fucked a guy deliberately planning to have his kid so they could be a professional bludging whorebags who drink on occasion (gosh n gee hang them just for that)
Paula could just as easily have stated the base rate of benefits and what certain unnamed individuals get each week - she would have made the same point in regards to the TIA without looking like such a smug little pug dog that needs a kick in the cunt.

[Finn]

yes I totally understand the frustration and angst of workers taxes paying for beneficiaries. I've paid tax before being on the DPB and have been paying taxes since, theres no need to be concerned as to where my 'baby daddy' is - but its cute that your concerned.

Yes benefit rates are public knowledge - as they should be. However every family has different entitlements depending on what their assets are, how many kids per family, any income they are earning, what rent/board/mortgage they are paying - and what area they are paying it in. So although the basic rate of the DPB ($272.70 pw) is public knowlege, the rate varies hugely dependant on circumstance.

As far as fathers working their asses off - Yes, that is fucked. Firstly that anyone who bore your spawn is entitled to a % of your wage through that merit alone is utter crap. Secondly if said mother of child is on the DPB you can be paying hundreds of dollars a week to IRD but the money dosnt even go to the kid, it goes to IRD to pay back what the govt is paying in DPB.

The thing that incenses me is that these ladies privacy has been breached, and although it may be easier to label them as bitches who fucked a guy deliberately planning to have his kid so they could be a professional bludging whorebags who drink on occasion (gosh n gee hang them just for that)
Paula could just as easily have stated the base rate of benefits and what certain unnamed individuals get each week - she would have made the same point in regards to the TIA without looking like such a smug little pug dog that needs a kick in the cunt.

So why are you on DPB then?

[Phurrball]

Not sure what this has got to do with this situation, (snip)

I only quoted a small part of the Listener story. It is on point as the level of detail required to be on top of a 20 billion dollar portfolio is necessarily quite high, and the sources quoted suggest it cannot be adequately communicated in the way the minister desires.

@ Finn - thanks for the link.

I find WO distasteful, but if his quotes are in fact of the people concerned, he's potentially on to something WRT implied consent. Go the adversarial blogosphere for getting at the truth...maybe?

The disturbing aspect here is a minister of the Crown choosing to release information based on a decade old guideline on the internet, when many good advisers are close at hand.

Wait till she makes a really important decision... Actually, she'd make a good scapegoat for the Nats ...inexperienced first-term minister who acts without advice...they could push through some really unpopular stuff...

She should've just consulted KB really...

[Hitcher]

The thing that incenses me is that these ladies privacy has been breached

Their privacy has not been breached. They chose to put themselves and their circumstances into the public arena. You can't have it both ways.

[allycatz]

So why are you on DPB then?

Well Ive the misfortune to have been on DPB last six weeks after losing job (fortunately starting work again next week) I have to say it has been the worst six weeks of my life, not that I haven't been grateful to have some form of income. I've received $580 per week being made up of benefit, accom allowance and family assistance, both of which I received when working ,though at a higher rate. Of that $580, $340 has gone on rent each week. Sounds a high sum but hasn't left a lot to feed myself, two teens and a 20 year old student plus pay power, phone, petrol, insurances and one credit card. I've chewed through what little savings I had but somehow have managed to keep the wolves from the door. Its not all wine, roses and a giant shag fest as its made out to be

[buffstar]

So why are you on DPB then?

I'm not on the DPB. I was for about 18months when my partner went and stuck his dick in a hole that didnt belong to me. So, I kicked his ass to the curb and went and grovelled for enough money to cover my rent and power with $70pw left for food for my 2 kids who were littlies at the time. Then I used the TIA to do a computing and business skills course and got a job with..........WINZ

[Finn]

Well Ive the misfortune to have been on DPB last six weeks after losing job (fortunately starting work again next week) I have to say it has been the worst six weeks of my life, not that I haven't been grateful to have some form of income. I've received $580 per week being made up of benefit, accom allowance and family assistance, both of which I received when working ,though at a higher rate. Of that $580, $340 has gone on rent each week. Sounds a high sum but hasn't left a lot to feed myself, two teens and a 20 year old student plus pay power, phone, petrol, insurances and one credit card. I've chewed through what little savings I had but somehow have managed to keep the wolves from the door. Its not all wine, roses and a giant shag fest as its made out to be

Well done on getting a new job. This is exactly how the safety net should work.

I'm not on the DPB. I was for about 18months when my partner went and stuck his dick in a hole that didnt belong to me. So, I kicked his ass to the curb and went and grovelled for enough money to cover my rent and power with $70pw left for food for my 2 kids who were littlies at the time. Then I used the TIA to do a computing and business skills course and got a job with..........WINZ

Okay, 18 months is a bit long. Next time I'm down your way I'll stop by and you can wash my bike while I sit back and drink some of your beers. After this you can cook me a meal and we'll call it even.

[Morcs]

"She gets more than me and shes on a benefit and Im jealous as fuck so she must be a lazy whining smoking lowlife who fucks every man she sees so she can live a life of luxuryand who took advantage of the Labour parties policies to bleed me, the taxpayer dry! Thank god she got pwned by Paula Bennet who was in exactly the same position as these people are and used the same benefits to pull herself out of the hole that these people are asking for."

Wow you took the words out of my mouth.

And we have every right to be jealous and pissed off. Some of us work hard at our careers and arent even at that pay grade. What did they do to deserve that? apart from getting knocked up and ending up a solo mum- (regardless of how that happened)
Its the ones who say 'we dont need a man at all, I can bring up a child properly on my own' - well its only because of that kinda money!

[buffstar]

Okay, 18 months is a bit long. Next time I'm down your way I'll stop by and you can wash my bike while I sit back and drink some of your beers. After this you can cook me a meal and we'll call it even.

LMFAO. Your a cheeky little bastard arnt ya

I dont wash strange mens bikes Mr Fin

[Okey Dokey]

Too many people can get away with a one-sided attack because they know that government organisations and other faceless bureaucracies like banks and insurance companies won't respond to allegations they make.

Like Minister Bennett, I believe that if anybody puts their personal circumstances into the public arena, they have forfeited any "privacy" rights they may have around the issue in question.

If you throw shit, you should expect to have shit thrown back at you. Poor fool you if any sticks.

If you let a political party parade you around for their opportunistic gain, you should expect to get it back in spades.

Thanks, Hitcher. You saved ME typing all that.

[buffstar]

Whoops *Finn* .......... good thing getting the DPB wasnt dependant on being able to spell


N wot about all the imports that get the DPB for their funny coloured kids?

[MisterD]

LMFAO. Your a cheeky little bastard arnt ya

I dont wash strange mens bikes Mr Fin

A mere 37 posts and it's like she's known you for years Finn!

[Swoop]

The disturbing aspect here is a minister of the Crown choosing to release information based on a decade old guideline on the internet, when many good advisers are close at hand.

Paula Bennett clearly stated last night, that she had consulted her advisory staff prior to releasing the information.
*Ding!* next.

[Mom]

he's working his arse off - earning an average wage (less than what she's getting) and pays more than his fair share in maintenance payments.

As far as fathers working their asses off - Yes, that is fucked. Firstly that anyone who bore your spawn is entitled to a % of your wage through that merit alone is utter crap. Secondly if said mother of child is on the DPB you can be paying hundreds of dollars a week to IRD but the money dosnt even go to the kid, it goes to IRD to pay back what the govt is paying in DPB.

This whole scenario sucks big time. As I understand it you have to tell WINZ who is the father of your child or you go on some sort of emercency benefit (it is less). WINZ, through IRD then take 18% of the fathers income as minimum and after deducting a pitiful living allowance regardless of his circumstances.

The mother receives the minuimum allowed as child support. So in essence all those poor bastards out there paying child support while the mother of their kids is on the DBP pays the maximum, the kids receive the minimum! The balance is simply taken by the government, not paid for the care of the kids.

[davereid]

Heres an interesting fact.

It takes ALL THE INCOME TAX, paid by 7 women of the same demographic as our bludger to cover her benefit.

(Based on 2008 median wages and income tax rates.)