$48,000 P.A. no skills easy hours, call me.

[jetboy]

The work still has to be there to apply for though and with understanding employers with regards to possible time off for kids sickness, school holidays etc. Full-time and after school childcare is not cheap even with a subsidy so any extra money earned from working gets swallowed up

Understandable - but why do I have to pay for it? If I have kids I don't expect you guys, the taxpayer, to fund them.

[allycatz]

Understandable - but why do I have to pay for it? If I have kids I don't expect you guys, the taxpayer, to fund them.

Does the rest of NZ have to pay for Auckland's roading system through their petrol? The average time on a benefit is two years. The tax payer can pay a lot longer for NZ super...up to 25 - 30 years...should we pay for that too? At least a beneficiery that does a good job of childcare is raising more future taxpayers to keep the elderly in care.

[Winston001]

Understandable - but why do I have to pay for it? If I have kids I don't expect you guys, the taxpayer, to fund them.

Ah well, there is the $64,000 question.

When you do have children, you will probably qualify for the Family Tax Credit which means other kiwis will be paying you for having your kids. The credit is available (depending on the number of children) for incomes up to $109,000.

I've always found this gobsmacking but its become normal. Most kiwi families are beneficiaries in this context.

Weird.

[allycatz]

I guess an alternative would be to make the benefit portion a repayable loan like the living costs in a student loan and you pay it back when you resume work

[jetboy]

Does the rest of NZ have to pay for Auckland's roading system through their petrol?

I do not believe this is fair either.

The average time on a benefit is two years. The tax payer can pay a lot longer for NZ super...up to 25 - 30 years...should we pay for that too? At least a beneficiery that does a good job of childcare is raising more future taxpayers to keep the elderly in care.

So, what you say here is that I should be happy paying tax which goes to someone on the benefit because if they do a good job of childcare then that child (that I helped pay to raise) will end up supporting me when I am older (if they are not a beneficiary themselves, that is) - where that whole situation could be avoided by me having more of my tax dollars back which I can save for my own retirement fund, thus eliminating the need for a super scheme?

[jetboy]

Ah well, there is the $64,000 question.

When you do have children, you will probably qualify for the Family Tax Credit which means other kiwis will be paying you for having your kids. The credit is available (depending on the number of children) for incomes up to $109,000.

I've always found this gobsmacking but its become normal. Most kiwi families are beneficiaries in this context.

Weird.

When I have children I will have planned and saved my arse off to have them. Screw the families credit - people who have kids should plan for them first. If you can't afford to have kids, then for fucks sake don't 'ave 'em!

[Forest]

Does the rest of NZ have to pay for Auckland's roading system through their petrol?

Historically, the overwhelming majority of road funding has been spent outside of Auckland (those state highways didn't build themselves).

Auckland's roading infrastructure has been severely under-funded over the last two decades.

The average time on a benefit is two years. The tax payer can pay a lot longer for NZ super...up to 25 - 30 years...should we pay for that too? At least a beneficiery that does a good job of childcare is raising more future taxpayers to keep the elderly in care.

We shouldn't be paying for NZ Super. State funded super is the biggest crock of crap out there (it isn't even means-tested! WTF?)

If the oldies weren't disproportionately represented in the voting stats, I am confident that universal super would have disappeared a long time ago.

[allycatz]

I do not believe this is fair either.



So, what you say here is that I should be happy paying tax which goes to someone on the benefit because if they do a good job of childcare then that child (that I helped pay to raise) will end up supporting me when I am older (if they are not a beneficiary themselves, that is) - where that whole situation could be avoided by me having more of my tax dollars back and can save for my own retirement?

Don't forget to put aside money for medical insurance so we can save on tax dollars for health spending too.....seriously in an ideal economic climate I sure most people on benefits would rather work, support themselves in retirement and so on....its not like that. Our tax dollars are spent on many things which could be deemed to have nothing to do with us.

[jetboy]

Don't forget to put aside money for medical insurance so we can save on tax dollars for health spending too.....seriously in an ideal economic climate I sure most people on benefits would rather work, support themselves in retirement and so on....its not like that. Our tax dollars are spent on many things which could be deemed to have nothing to do with us.

Public health is not in the same category as the benefit. Most NZ'ers will have no problems with paying tax for the public health system, but do have issues paying for people who refuse to earn a decent living and contribute to society instead of take take take.

I agree that our tax dollars are spent on things that won't have much to do with us directly, if at all, but that's understandable. I disagree that I should have to work to pay for someone else so they don't have to.

[allycatz]

When I have children I will have planned and saved my arse off to have them. Screw the families credit - people who have kids should plan for them first. If you can't afford to have kids, then for fucks sake don't 'ave 'em!

Hey my ex and I planned all our kids too on a six figure income....unfortunately I wasn't consulted in the planning when he took off a mid life crisis shag fest. With him went the business we had built up and my income. His parting words to me was " your too fat and stupid to get a man or a job. His 50th birthday present 12 months later was a framed copy of my new NZIM Management papers. I've been extremely grateful to receive a benefit but have to say the tax paid when I owned a business far exceeds what I received. So far I have three kids with degrees and and two more about to enter uni...I haven't wasted the tax payers money

[jetboy]

Hey my ex and I planned all our kids too on a six figure income....unfortunately I wasn't consulted in the planning when he took off a mid life crisis shag fest. With him went the business we had built up and my income. His parting words to me was " your too fat and stupid to get a man or a job. His 50th birthday present 12 months later was a framed copy of my new NZIM Management papers. I've been extremely grateful to receive a benefit but have to say the tax paid when I owned a business far exceeds what I received. So far I have three kids with degrees and and two more about to enter uni...I haven't wasted the tax payers money

I'm not launching a personal attack on you Allycatz, and it sucks to hear what happened to you.

My comment was referring to the dropkicks who don't plan for kids.

[allycatz]

Hey no offence taken, but theres an old saying "best laid plans". Its a shame we cant get marriage insurance for when it all goes belly up.

[MIXONE]

I'm not launching a personal attack on you Allycatz, and it sucks to hear what happened to you.

My comment was referring to the dropkicks who don't plan for kids.

I hate to burst your bubble there jb but not many people actually plan when thay are going to have kids.If the majority did the world would have a much smaller population.

[Oscar]

I hate to burst your bubble there jb but not many people actually plan when thay are going to have kids.If the majority did the world would have a much smaller population.

I think the figure is about 50% of all pregnancies are not planned.

[MIXONE]

I think the figure is about 50% of all pregnancies are not planned.

That explains why my mum always said I was a mistake then!