Dithering judge complicating cultural issues

**PrincessBandit** · 31st July 2009, 18:30

So, the judge has said Mr. Takamore's widow is entitled to have his remains back where he wanted to be but stopped short of ordering and exhumation. The extended whanau have said that even if it had been ordered they wouldn't allow it.

How is it that, in the name of tikanga, they can completely disregard what the deceased himself wanted? Do they consider that they have the overriding say in individual's destiny just because of their heritage? He turned his back on it, made it clear he didn't want anything more to do with it, yet they've trodden completely on his wishes.

Then the rellies have announced that his widow and children can make the trip up to meet with them to discuss the situation!!!!! FFS if they really want dialogue surely they can make the effort to go the his family. How bloody arrogant!

Maori leaders and "experts" (no, not white man experts) have said that even Pakeha have protocols which should be respected. What's with the attitude of this crowd?

Although this thread is not intended for this outcome....let the slanging begin....

**peasea** · 31st July 2009, 18:33

The judge has no balls, now the family face another fight by the look of it. From what I can gather the deceased wished to be buried in Christchurch. That should be the end of it and anyone railroading his wishes should be in the dock.

It's body-snatching, plain and simple.

**Mom** · 31st July 2009, 18:49

I hate this stuff. I can not for one minute imagine how terrible it must be for that poor woman to have her hubby buried so far away against his wishes. His children are also denied the opportunity to grieve at his grave, as are his friends. Terrible thing to happen.

She was executor of his will, she had the right to do what he stated in his will. For someone to come and take him away and bury him in another place is inexcusable, and no doubt those responsible will pay a price at some point down the line. Seems he made the right choice when he left that part of his life behind. Fact of the matter is he is buried now, and he should be able to rest where he has been laid. The judge stopped short of ordering his exhumation, and you know I kind of agree with that.

Look, I am not in her place, but what I do know is that nothing she does will bring him back. He is gone, and he is buried. He needs to rest where he lays, not be dug up and transported someplace else.

I empathise with her, I really do, but, she needs to let go and pull her own memories up close to her and let him rest.

**Finn** · 31st July 2009, 18:53

Is there anything Maori's don't steal?

**ynot slow** · 31st July 2009, 18:56

Was interesting to hear the point of Dr.Ranginui Walker saying europeans and maori had to do the right thing re wishes of the deseased.Not bad if all looked at it like that,the deseased had nothing to do with his whanau back north.

Surely if you state where you want to be buried,or cremated for that matter that should sufice.

Went to my mums cousins' funeral this afternoon,guy was 55yrs old,he had a great service in the funeral chapel,people speaking and his wishes etc,bloody great.

**98tls** · 31st July 2009, 18:57

Originally Posted by Mom

I hate this stuff. I can not for one minute imagine how terrible it must be for that poor woman to have her hubby buried so far away against his wishes. His children are also denied the opportunity to grieve at his grave, as are his friends. Terrible thing to happen.

She was executor of his will, she had the right to do what he stated in his will. For someone to come and take him away and bury him in another place is inexcusable, and no doubt those responsible will pay a price at some point down the line. Seems he made the right choice when he left that part of his life behind. Fact of the matter is he is buried now, and he should be able to rest where he has been laid. The judge stopped short of ordering his exhumation, and you know I kind of agree with that.

Look, I am not in her place, but what I do know is that nothing she does will bring him back. He is gone, and he is buried. He needs to rest where he lays, not be dug up and transported someplace else.

I empathise with her, I really do, but, she needs to let go and pull her own memories up close to her and let him rest.

Whilst i hear what your saying Mom if the guy himself was adament about his wishes then it would be very hard as his partner to let go knowing they havent been fulfilled,i guess she could be forgiven for feeling that he wont rest until they are.

**spacemonkey** · 31st July 2009, 19:02

Originally Posted by Finn

Is there anything Maori's don't steal?

Nothin that the whiteys haven't already nicked.

**duckonin** · 31st July 2009, 19:02

Yep, exhume him, and give him back to "his" family,his whishes were bestowed upon them.....

**JMemonic** · 31st July 2009, 19:10

The judge should have manned up and ordered the exhumation, it was thieft of a corpse pure and simple.

In fact due the fact a lot of medical advances are discovered through the use of cadavers, as is a huge part of medical training and these folks dont contribute perhaps they should be denied access to this as I am sure it would be against their culture.

**Taz** · 31st July 2009, 19:13

He's dead what does he care?....

**JimO** · 31st July 2009, 19:34

looking at the family on the news i commented to my boys that pack of fat fuckers havnt evolved down the tree very far, look like a pack of long term fucking bludgers to me