Will I get my 100 ready in time for Taupo?

[jasonu]

Well I cant argue with the "good platform" bit but some of us have choosen the air cooled 125 platform and we're achieveing power figures some 50% higher than the motorcrossers of the same era, there is no way the Japanese were building in that much tolerance into their parts/materials.

Guys have been makeing double the manufacturers HP output for years. Stock RG50 5-6hp, guys have been makeing 10+hp from these for ever. TF100 around 12HP stock, I had one that dynoed at 21HP, KE125 stock 13HP, mine makes 25 with the 100 cylinder and the Steadman bikes all made 20+HP. Remember these stock figures are manufacturer 'claimed' at the engine http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/mod...ts125%2079.htm compaired to rear wheel dyno results.

I am not saying the new bikes are shit or poorly put together, just that IMO the high HP output is not totally to blame for the recient failures.

[SS90]

There was a trailer mounted one in what i think was marsheng youtube bucket clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsEFKYULNDc

Thats Grahaem Harris's dyno, been around since about 99 or so, I used to operate that for about 2 years, people just don't like having to pay to watch their bike get revved out anywhere in the world really, which is a shame, because operated with a bit of experience, they are gold.
That one works fine too, no windows software though, and no fudge factor either, but still very consistent.

[jasonu]

And you tend to get a bit of that when your trying your hand at something new ....

Yes without trying new things and makeing a few cockups along the way (and hopefully learning from them) nothing would progress.

[kel]

Guys have been makeing double the manufacturers HP output for years. Stock RG50 5-6hp, guys have been makeing 10+hp from these for ever. TF100 around 12HP stock, I had one that dynoed at 21HP, KE125 stock 13HP, mine makes 25 with the 100 cylinder and the Steadman bikes all made 20+HP. Remember these stock figures are manufacturer 'claimed' at the engine http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/mod...ts125%2079.htm compaired to rear wheel dyno results.

Back in the golden era of bucket racing when real men ...

[quallman1234]

Thats Grahaem Harris's dyno, been around since about 99 or so, I used to operate that for about 2 years, people just don't like having to pay to watch their bike get revved out anywhere in the world really, which is a shame, because operated with a bit of experience, they are gold.
That one works fine too, no windows software though, and no fudge factor either, but still very consistent.

Yeah someone brang that dyno to NZSBK Round 1 and Round 2. Was 10$ a run.

[jasonu]

Back in the golden era of bucket racing when real men ...

and 2 strokes (mostly) finished races...

[RMS eng]

and 2 strokes (mostly) finished races...

and 45 min races at that

[RMS eng]

Well I cant argue with the "good platform" bit but some of us have choosen the air cooled 125 platform and we're achieveing power figures some 50% higher than the motorcrossers of the same era, there is no way the Japanese were building in that much tolerance into their parts/materials. When you exceed the factories abilites by such extreme levels (again Im talking air cooled motors) then you really are pushing the limit as none of the current legal parts we use are designed around an air cooled platform, piston cam being a perfect example. Then we have the programmable ignitions, power jets etc which were unheard of in buckets 10 years ago, extra stress HELL YES!
Things have moved forward Jason the level of design, engineering and smart assembly included. We could detuned the engines for 100% reliability and still smoke the buckets of old but thats a limited goal.
ps. a spare bike also helps with consistently finishing races at or near the pointy end

5 speeds and air cooled motors are a step forward ?,detuning your motors 100% means they will win with 15HP,its fun time

[bucketracer]

I think this is how the recent Pacific club series finished up.

It was won by Rick ... riding his 2-stroke at all four rounds. It was tuned on Team ESE's dyno.
A 2-stroke helped Kel bag Kel rode the Team ESE Monster at Te Puke
And Av on her Team ESE 2-stroke for six wins from six starts. at Tokoroa and Te Puke

Ricks engine was a good example of an original well made old school TF125 that worked OK back in the Day, and after a bit of tuning advice from Team ESE he has made it much easier to ride and faster.

[kel]

Ricks engine was a good example of an original well made old school TF125 that worked OK back in the Day, and after a bit of tuning advice from Team ESE he has made it much easier to ride and faster.

Im still struggling with that part. My sponsor tunes my competitors bike so he can beat me in the final round theres a few more icons I could use but I probably wouldnt have a ride.

[TZ350]

Guys have been makeing double the manufacturers HP output for years. Stock RG50 5-6hp, guys have been makeing 10+hp from these for ever.

This is Chambers old, old school RG50, I am sure it made a little more power before when he got it. Its done a few miles so probably needs a freshin up still 9hp and 3.5k flat power spread is still a fun ride.

[bucketracer]

and 2 strokes (mostly) finished races...

4 Strokes (mostly) finish races too .... As the Bishop said to the Actress

[jasonu]

4 Strokes (mostly) finish races too .... As the Bishop said to the Actress

Agreed mate but not the point of this (sub)thread that started at post 390

[Buddha#81:Me]

I think this is how the recent Pacific club series finished up.

It was won by Rick ... riding his 2-stroke at all four rounds. It was tuned on Team ESE's dyno.
A 2-stroke helped Kel bag Kel rode the Team ESE Monster at Te Puke
And Av on her Team ESE 2-stroke for six wins from six starts. at Tokoroa and Te Puke

Good results on a kart track......unfortunatly results when it counts.........Taupo anyone?

[crazy man]

4 Strokes (mostly) finish races too .... As the Bishop said to the Actress

years ago it was more likey the four stroke would blow up and the 2 strokes always finshed . l remember when kris sheriff's won the first gp on a four stroke it was shock horror that a 4 stroker could win it! l think the 4 strokes off today are such new engines and not so worn out like the shiters back then (buckets)