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    House insulation prices being "inflated".

    I have found this to be a timely discovery. Having investigated the costs involved of underfloor insulation for home, it appeared (at the time the scheme was being introduced) that a substantial mark-up was being applied "somewhere" in the process.

    The concept of purchasing some underfloor panels and then fitting them myself, was "Verboten". I would have to have them professionally installed to be able to get funding assistance for the whole process.

    The laughable part is the professionals who are being recruited to do the installation work. The unemployed appear to be being recruited. Not a bad idea but they cannot really be called "professionals". Perhaps "approved" would be a better term to use.


    My solution has been to ignore the gubbinment process (how unusual...) and simply purchase/install by myself. The total cost would be less since I can get trade rates from a supplier.

    Just nice to see that the media are asking similar questions to what I was thinking at the time.



    Officials to check reports of insulation price hikes.

    Energy officials have been asked to examine whether heating and insulation companies are putting up prices to take advantage of a Government scheme.

    There have been reports of companies raising prices in the wake of the Government-subsidised Warm Up New Zealand scheme, developed with the Green Party

    Run by the Energy Efficiency and Conservation Authority (EECA), the scheme will see a $323 million fund to subsidise the insulation of 180,000 pre-2000 houses by 2013.

    The fund will pay 33 per cent of the cost of insulating floors and ceilings. It allows claims of up to $1300 in insulation subsidies and $500 for a heating appliance.

    Community Service Card holders can get more funding. Prime Minister John Key said yesterday he would be concerned if the subsidy had the effect of leading to higher prices and not the anticipated benefit to consumers, the Dominion Post newspaper reported.

    "I've certainly said to my officials I think it's something we should have a look at."

    One Lower Hutt man found that a Government-approved provider charged $700 more than a company that had not signed up to the scheme.

    Approved companies say they offer a superior service and face compliance costs because of the scheme.

    They are warning that many people will not have insulation and heating installed by next winter because the demand is so great, and the first year's subsidies will run out.

    EECA residential manager, Robert Linterman, said some consumers had complained about excessively high quotes from Government-approved providers, but had usually not been comparing the same products.

    Approved providers were on a contract until the end of September. Applicants for approved status after that had been asked to submit prices.
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    Let's get tradespeople to self-regulate!
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    Or perhaps provide another option? A homeowner can install insulation if they have basic skills.

    Or has the "good old kiwi bloke" been faggotted down to having to call in a "consultant" all the time?
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    Would think any sparky,plumber or pile replacement guys would be ideal as well,not to mention most kiwi blokes.I have done the under house tv co-ax wiring,and figure I could put insulation under flooring.
    Hello officer put it on my tab

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    Anyone looking for insulation I highly recommend airfoam (www.airfoam.co.nz)

    I have worked with this product during installation. Its cheaper. Its rated higher than batts. It takes on average a day to install and you dont have to pull your house to bits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    Or perhaps provide another option? A homeowner can install insulation if they have basic skills.

    Or has the "good old kiwi bloke" been faggotted down to having to call in a "consultant" all the time?
    RIP. The good ol' kiwi "can do" attitude.
    Yeah exactly right. 'Tradesman' are some of the most hopeless shoddy workers I've ever come across... fuck letting them near my house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morcs View Post
    Anyone looking for insulation I highly recommend airfoam (www.airfoam.co.nz)

    I have worked with this product during installation. Its cheaper. Its rated higher than batts. It takes on average a day to install and you dont have to pull your house to bits.
    I understand that Airfoam is not covered by the govt subsidy.
    Why is that?

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    Isn't airfoam unliked by the fire service as well? I understand the concept of it but I am not sure I like the idea of it if it produces increased toxic gases when burnt, and is thought to be difficult to extinguish, its basically expanded foam right, that stuff seems to burn just look at the coolstore fires.
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    We used this stuff for under our floors: http://www.homeinsulation.co.nz/underfloor-silverzone/

    Made a world of difference.

    And Swoop (or should that be Swhoop?) - you're getting slack. Insulating prices being inflated isn't enough of a pun - they should have been padded, perhaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mully View Post
    We used this stuff for under our floors: http://www.homeinsulation.co.nz/underfloor-silverzone/

    Made a world of difference.
    I investigated the polystyrene foam panels that fit between floor joists. There are 3 main types on the market but Expol came out the cheapest after a few enquiries.

    My concerns were that there appeared to be a bit of hefty profitmaking happening when this scheme is meant to assist homeowners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bungbung View Post
    I understand that Airfoam is not covered by the govt subsidy.
    Why is that?
    Pretty sure it is. Give em a call.
    And do your research. It is safe as.
    Ive seen 'fireproof' batts nearly burn a garage down.
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    I discovered the same years ago when they started offering subsidies on home heater installation - install prices went up a lot!

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    Thumbs up Insulation tip

    There's been 5 people die - and I'm not sure how many injured with installing silver foil under floor insulation - stapling into wiring and making the foil live
    So be careful for that one

    Expol falls out after a while, especially if your prone to wind getting under the house

    The best product I've found is www.novatherm.co.nz
    environmentally friendly with no formaldehyde leaching, uses up to 45% recycled material

    The black polythene on the ground as a damp barrier is unproven and there's speculation that it's a waste of time and money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoky View Post
    There's been 5 people die - and I'm not sure how many injured with installing silver foil under floor insulation - stapling into wiring and making the foil live
    So be careful for that one
    Yes, do be careful with that. Safety First (tm), and all that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morcs View Post
    Anyone looking for insulation I highly recommend airfoam (www.airfoam.co.nz)
    We got it put in a couple of months ago for much the same reasons as you outline. It was quick and easy although the house is damp for a few days after as the foam dries out. It appears to work though.

    It's not covered by the government subsidy - mostly because ceiling (done already) and underfloor (can't be done in our house) are better results for less effort.

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