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    Quote Originally Posted by smoky View Post
    Expol falls out after a while,
    The manufacturer states that a bracket is to be fixed under the panel, thus preventing this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post

    The laughable part is the professionals who are being recruited to do the installation work. The unemployed appear to be being recruited. Not a bad idea but they cannot really be called "professionals". Perhaps "approved" would be a better term to use.


    My solution has been to ignore the gubbinment process (how unusual...) and simply purchase/install by myself. The total cost would be less since I can get trade rates from a supplier.
    The installers, albeit of varying experience levels, would have a bit of training and supervision. At the very least it would have supervision, and most importantly, liability to be complained to if the insulation does not do its job.

    On the contrary, self-installation presents its' own problems. A lot of us cannot do a decent install that even trained monkeys might laugh at our work. And if something goes wrong, you can't sue yourself.

    The only thing that needs work is the audit of the "approved installers" to ensure there is no pricejackings, which is what the government is currently working on.

    And to balance things, Labour + Greens government was trying to regulate the dogs with microchips but I can't remember them giving out 30% off vouchers for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RantyDave View Post
    It's not covered by the government subsidy - mostly because ceiling (done already) and underfloor (can't be done in our house) are better results for less effort.
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    As someone pointed out to me last night:
    >the government only subidise the floor and ceiling.
    >And when a courier sends a package, the box doesnt just have a top and a bottom. Bit stupid without the sides.
    >To insulate your walls with gib and batts is around $30,000. only $1300 of that can be subsidised.
    So Airfoam is the only realistic solution for walls without spending silly money.

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    Farmers got to behave like this for decades.

    Government subsidies and protectionist tariffs are the primary tools of the devil. They stratify societies and poison International trade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMemonic View Post
    Isn't airfoam unliked by the fire service as well? I understand the concept of it but I am not sure I like the idea of it if it produces increased toxic gases when burnt, and is thought to be difficult to extinguish, its basically expanded foam right, that stuff seems to burn just look at the coolstore fires.
    LOL Air Foam is not an expanding foam. Air Foam is made on site and expanded through machinery before entering the wall.
    It is Non toxic and will not create a fire hazard.
    Its best to know something about the product you comment on before commenting ????
    What you are talking about is a yellow toxic urethane foam used for sealing things like holes in walls where plumbing etc goes through.

    Also the insulation government scheme covers the ceiling and the floor insulation.
    The government schemes have always had their ups and downs however their new scheme is missing something important......the walls.
    Has anyone ever tried to keep their beers cool by using the lid of a chilly bin and no sides??????
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    Quote Originally Posted by westie View Post
    Has anyone ever tried to keep their beers cool by using the lid of a chilly bin and no sides??????
    Floor and ceiling is better than nothing though.

    I just had a heat pump and under floor insulation (100 square metres) installed for $3500. I'm stoked. There is no way in hell I have time (or the inclination) to crawl around in the dirt under my house to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BMWST? View Post
    its called supply and demand......
    In this instance it's the very opposite of supply and demand. Market Intervention by Socialists has inflated "supply and demand" artificially.
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    with the fire going flat tack i wish we didnt have insulation
    Thats whats up.

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    A guy at work said he found something on these under floor Expol products and that they've been rotting joists as they collect moisture... As pointed out earlier, it's almost pointless just doing the ceiling and floors if the walls haven't been done. Add to that the fact that you have aluminium windows with moisture drain holes as they just let in cold air and all the expense of insulation become somewhat negligable... FPB my ass... PAH!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    A guy at work said he found something on these under floor Expol products and that they've been rotting joists as they collect moisture... Add to that the fact that you have aluminium windows with moisture drain holes as they just let in cold air and all the expense of insulation become somewhat negligable...
    The problem with many houses, is the fact that they cannot breathe. The drainholes are a tiny contributor to the process and do not allow vast air movement.
    Sealed cavities are more of the problem, as experienced with jimmy hardie's finest (crap) products, which effectively seal an area... until the systems fail... letting in moisture, which then rots the timber.

    Expol has two ridges on the top surface which keep the product away from the underside of the flooring and allowing a small airflow (hopefully).

    I know of a few houses that used polystyrene blocks in the walls and also in the ceiling! I think we will be seeing them again in the future...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    The problem with many houses, is the fact that they cannot breathe. The drainholes are a tiny contributor to the process and do not allow vast air movement.
    Sealed cavities are more of the problem, as experienced with jimmy hardie's finest (crap) products, which effectively seal an area... until the systems fail... letting in moisture, which then rots the timber.

    Expol has two ridges on the top surface which keep the product away from the underside of the flooring and allowing a small airflow (hopefully).

    I know of a few houses that used polystyrene blocks in the walls and also in the ceiling! I think we will be seeing them again in the future...
    I'll try getting a few more details and the source of my colleagues information in regards to Expol...

    Granted the drain holes don't allow great air movement, but they do let in cold damp air at night as they are open, which kind of negates the reasons for adding insulation to a house, no? Other sources of air movement include the spot light sockets. More often than not when spot lights are fitted, there is no sealing in the ceiling between the fitting and the hole drilled... for fire reasons i've been told... I have changed bulbs in a few houses and everytime i get up there there's a breeze pumping cold air into my face... Again why lag your house when the hot air rises it goes through the exact same gaps as the falling cold air? I thought the idea behind heating a house was to keep warm air inside and not heat the roof space...

    Whilst i understand that little air movement can promote moisture build up, where is the moisture coming from other than outside. If you don't have a sealed house, you will end up with moisture coming in from the outside. Granted that's going to happen when you open and close your front door, but allowing it to get in through drain holes and ill thought out ceiling lighting will more than contribute to the moisture problem. We had a sealed house in Scotland, yes colder and damper than here, but we didn't have condensation. There was no insulation anywhere in the house. The only difference i can see between the houses is that we don't have aluminium frames (PVC/Wood), we didn't have drain holes for moisture and we had light fittings that did not allow air to pass through them into the roof space and vice versa for cold air falling into the house and here we have all of the above, but with insulation...

    Seriously, why does this happen? Why spend money on insulation if your windows aren't future proof, your light fittings aren't future proof and your house allows cold air in because your doors aren't sealed etc???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    The problem with many houses, is the fact that they cannot breathe. The drainholes are a tiny contributor to the process and do not allow vast air movement.
    Sealed cavities are more of the problem, as experienced with jimmy hardie's finest (crap) products, which effectively seal an area... until the systems fail... letting in moisture, which then rots the timber.

    Expol has two ridges on the top surface which keep the product away from the underside of the flooring and allowing a small airflow (hopefully).

    I know of a few houses that used polystyrene blocks in the walls and also in the ceiling! I think we will be seeing them again in the future...
    Open a window?
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    Hmm perhaps the concept of question marks was a little misleading, I actually asked a question well several, lets review.

    Quote Originally Posted by JMemonic View Post
    Isn't airfoam unliked by the fire service as well? I understand the concept of it but I am not sure I like the idea of it if it produces increased toxic gases when burnt, and is thought to be difficult to extinguish,
    Quote Originally Posted by westie View Post
    It is Non toxic and will not create a fire hazard.
    I see that it is apparently non toxic, and does not burn, yet fire service guys tell me it makes putting out cavity fires more difficult.

    Quote Originally Posted by JMemonic View Post
    its basically expanded foam right, that stuff seems to burn just look at the coolstore fires.
    Quote Originally Posted by westie View Post
    LOL Air Foam is not an expanding foam. Air Foam is made on site and expanded through machinery before entering the wall.
    So its an expanded foam, or is it um expanded air? shredded paper?, the demo I saw where the had some in a cavity that they then cut open it was stated that the product is an expanded foam, and upon reading the website it seems to be an expanded foam, so you are saying its not

    Quote Originally Posted by westie View Post
    Its best to know something about the product you comment on before commenting ????
    I WAS ENDEAVOURING TO DISCOVER MORE ! (that's an exclamation mark, its the opposite of a question mark and denotes a statement)

    Quote Originally Posted by westie View Post
    What you are talking about is a yellow toxic urethane foam used for sealing things like holes in walls where plumbing etc goes through.
    Ok that yellow stuff in a can said it was non toxic as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by westie View Post
    Also the insulation government scheme covers the ceiling and the floor insulation.
    The government schemes have always had their ups and downs however their new scheme is missing something important......the walls.
    Has anyone ever tried to keep their beers cool by using the lid of a chilly bin and no sides??????
    Yeah we get that, I actually have underfloor and ceiling insulation so had an open mind about this product but now....
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    Well with the newly installed underfloor insulation, we can feel the floor is not as cold as it used - prob a couple of degrees warmer, so to the naysayers, it has made a difference.

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