Short course training and bonding - see this much?

[marty]

Well I guess there's 2 choices - bend over, or take control. I know what I'd be doing.

And I'm in a specialised field with a small group of like-qualified people - doesn't mean you can/should be shafted.

[ynot slow]

Hell when I was with an ex employer we also had a funeral side of the business,part of that was block courses which were about $5000 annually,one guy was there 20years so was ok,another left after a few years,but back now.No bond was asked for.

Personally I used to go to numerous product knowledge courses,some daily and 2 days.Some or most were starting at 5.30pm so we went to them at our cost(no pay),some staff were annoyed,my idea was more product info I gleaned the harder it was to deny a raise if I asked.Was debateable who got the benefit from them,him due to my knowledge and able to pass it on to staff and customers via sales or me with the knowledge of the game.

[SlashWylde]

No employer is going to put thousands into an employee for them to do as they choose on a whim.

Steve

Yes they will...well the foolish ones anyway. I've seen it happen time and time again with training costs and employee relocation packages.

[xgnr]

If it goes the other way, and you are made redundant, would they be prepared to take an'opportunity cost' claim from you?

ummm me thinks not. 30 days notice... thats it.

I guess its being professional and doing that extra mile thing ( I work far longer hours than my 40 hrs) but it seems to be one way nowadays.

At the end of the day if I leave I will just pay up.... when asked, and provided with a reconciliation of what is owed (there systems are so flakey they would never be able to recall what course and what it cost anyway lol).

[Gremlin]

As an employer, it is prudent of them to secure the investment in you, and ensure the ROI.

As an employee, it is also prudent of you to reduce your personal liability, and in this case, its basically open liability. I would be wanting some clarification or additional clauses.

Sure, it can be all sweet and nice now, but if the shit hits the fan, it stops being nice, contracts are referred to and from that wording, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on, other than arguing what is reasonable.