Tragic death leads to change in 999 (emergency) procedures

[Bob]

As you guys have taken the CPR course recently, unless it is already up somewhere, any chance of putting something together on it?

I took a CPR course a few years ago - and from what you're saying, it has changed and simplified... so let everyone know what to do! If there are any charts or pictures that are available (without copyright) that can be put on Kiwi Biker, then please include them.

If something can be put together, then it would be good to have as a sticky post on here. You never know, someone reading the post may well get enough from it to make the difference.

If you do put something together, please PM me, so I can make sure I don't miss it. I'll be more than happy to help put it all together if you want me to - this is a very worthwhile thing to do, so happy to assist.

Thanks,

Bob

[Toot Toot]

As you guys have taken the CPR course recently, unless it is already up somewhere, any chance of putting something together on it?

I took a CPR course a few years ago - and from what you're saying, it has changed and simplified...

30:2 Thats it.

30 compressions to two breaths for EVERYONE, adults, children, infants.

That is from the European Resuscitation Council and is procedure in most western World Ambulance services.

[quickbuck]

30:2 Thats it.

30 compressions to two breaths for EVERYONE, adults, children, infants.

That is from the European Resuscitation Council and is procedure in most western World Ambulance services.

Umm, and to add, as soon as you give the patient the two full breaths, you do the chest compressions...
Apparently if a patient is not breathing, their heart has stopped too... or very soon will.
So, no point looking for a pulse.... that is almost impossible to find!

Now, if I am wrong here, please let me know, and I will go and do remedial CPR training....

[kaz]

Reminds me of when my dads mate got hit off her bicycle and killed just outside of kawerau. the guy jumped out of his car and picked the debree up off the road before attending her

Sorry to hear about your Dad's mate. I wasn't there of course but it is possible that the person who stopped was trying to ensure that there were no more accidents to add to the first - like if someone else drove into the debris and crashed or made the original accident worse or hurt the person who stopped.

On first aid courses, you are taught to enter an accident scene only if your safety is assured and it doesn;'t cause more accidents.

I hope this was the case in your example anyway!

[paddy]

...it is possible that the person who stopped was trying to ensure that there were no more accidents to add to the first - like if someone else drove into the debris and crashed or made the original accident worse or hurt the person who stopped...

I doubt the driver was "thinking" anything much. People do all sorts of odd things when they are all keyed up on adrenaline. To someone with little or no training the prospect of approaching an treating a "downed" motorcyclist would be a daunting one. I could imagine how when you are not thinking straight, that debris might suddenly seem really quite important.

[paddy]

Umm, and to add, as soon as you give the patient the two full breaths, you do the chest compressions...
Apparently if a patient is not breathing, their heart has stopped too... or very soon will.
So, no point looking for a pulse.... that is almost impossible to find!

Now, if I am wrong here, please let me know, and I will go and do remedial CPR training....

Yes you are right. The current procedure simply begins with "check response/shake and shout". Further pulse checks are omitted.

There has been a reasonable amount of research around pulse checks during resuscitations. You would be surprised at how often a pulse was identified as absent when it was actually present in the comparatively calm and sterile environment of the hospital emergency room. That was with health professionals - I can't remember the citation or the percentages of hand but it was well into the double digits!