Independent contractor

[p.dath]

Yeaa i feel it's not a good offer and i can't be on any dole because i am not an New Zealand resident. But the horse job fucking kills me!

So if you actual tax is 20%, then your $15/hour is actually $12/hour.

If your tax rate is meant to be 33% then at the end of the year you need to pay the short fall. Then your actual hourly rate would be $9.90/hour.

This is the gross amount. You still need to pay ACC levies. potentially public liability insurance. Potentially accounting fees.

[Headbanger]

And cover your own sick days and holidays, including public holidays.

You will be getting about 50c of that hourly rate.

[Mumbles]

You wont get paid to be sick or go on holiday so you better factor in 5 weeks a year of not earning any money …. Now does that $15.00 sound good.
Might be a good point to raise the $15 hr to something better, that’s why they want you to contract so they don’t have to pay it to you say $600 a week x 5 weeks is $3000 you lose before you start so you could try for another $1.45h more to cover your costs…
But if you can contract to other companies then that’s ok …. Remember also as soon as they run out of work they don’t have to pay you and they don’t have to warn you…. Don’t mean to be a downer but good luck. (I’ve been contracting and it can be rewarding you have to be the best at your job to keep it though)

[Argyle]

You wont get paid to be sick or go on holiday so you better factor in 5 weeks a year of not earning any money …. Now does that $15.00 sound good.
Might be a good point to raise the $15 hr to something better, that’s why they want you to contract so they don’t have to pay it to you say $600 a week x 5 weeks is $3000 you lose before you start so you could try for another $1.45h more to cover your costs…
But if you can contract to other companies then that’s ok …. Remember also as soon as they run out of work they don’t have to pay you and they don’t have to warn you…. Don’t mean to be a downer but good luck. (I’ve been contracting and it can be rewarding you have to be the best at your job to keep it though)

Been talking to my fiance and she says i should look for something other now. It's just to much mocking around for shit money. Which i have realized now by reading all answers. I could do this job if they pay me 22 - 25dollars per hour maybe?! Since i have to save for my own holiday money, pay my own insurances, acc etc. And it says I'm not allowed to work for another company in the contract.

[p.dath]

... And it says I'm not allowed to work for another company in the contract.

If it says that then it isn't a legal independent contract (as in it would fail the test under the IRD rules). It is effectively an employment contract.

These guys sound like bad employers. Your doing the right thing. Walk away.

[Argyle]

If it says that then it isn't a legal independent contract (as in it would fail the test under the IRD rules). It is effectively an employment contract.

These guys sound like bad employers. Your doing the right thing. Walk away.

It says like this

Restraint

Work for, either directly or indirectly, or have any interest whatsoever, in any business or venture in direct or indirect competition with (the company) without the express written consent of (the company)

[p.dath]

It says like this

Restraint

Work for, either directly or indirectly, or have any interest whatsoever, in any business or venture in direct or indirect competition with (the company) without the express written consent of (the company)

That's not quite the same. That's an anti-competition clause. Once again, not normal in an independent contract, as being "independent" usually implies you are free to work for whomever you please.
However this is reasonably legal.

This contract makes you *dependent* on them. Walk away.

[Mumbles]

Been talking to my fiance and she says i should look for something other now. It's just to much mocking around for shit money. Which i have realized now by reading all answers. I could do this job if they pay me 22 - 25dollars per hour maybe?! Since i have to save for my own holiday money, pay my own insurances, acc etc. And it says I'm not allowed to work for another company in the contract.

Nothing stopping you asking for 25hr you never know... dont let them better to not take it after demanding what your worth then you can always get them on the contract restraint of trade deal....

[Virago]

It gets worse and worse, eh?

I'm horrified - and curious as to who these bastards are...

[Mom]

And it says I'm not allowed to work for another company in the contract.

I wont bother to reitterate what others have said before me on here, but this is the kicker for me.

The people that have offered you this amazing deal are attempting to shaft you, and no doubt are in fact shafting others. They will find themselves in the deepest of doo doo if IRD learn of these independant contractors they "employ".

There are some fairly watertight rules around what defines an independant contractor and what defines an employee. Stay away from this one is my advice.

Pisses me off there are people/companies that will try to negate their liabilities for annual leave/sick leave and the like by "employing" contractors that they treat worse than employees!

[Argyle]

It gets worse and worse, eh?

I'm horrified - and curious as to who these bastards are...

Hehe, i am a foreigner and easy to fool of course. But since i had heard some bad things about these independent contracts i wanted to make sure if this would be a good thing for me or a bad thing.

The company is a major home care provider based in Auckland who's just expanded to Waikato.

[Argyle]

I wont bother to reitterate what others have said before me on here, but this is the kicker for me.

The people that have offered you this amazing deal are attempting to shaft you, and no doubt are in fact shafting others. They will find themselves in the deepest of doo doo if IRD learn of these independant contractors they "employ".

There are some fairly watertight rules around what defines an independant contractor and what defines an employee. Stay away from this one is my advice.

Pisses me off there are people/companies that will try to negate their liabilities for annual leave/sick leave and the like by "employing" contractors that they treat worse than employees!

Hmm yes, i think i should be an employee instead. Strange this contract, seems like i would be in deepest shit if i sign this. Most fun of all is they require a witness when i sign.
No i will back away from this, look for another job!

[cowboyz]

I have many problems with this whole idea.

1. If you are a contractor and you are contracting your services then you set the price. Not them..

2. this just wreeks of an employer trying to get out of their responsibilies reguarding holiday pay/ acc/ insurance/ kiwisaver etc

keep walking... I havent even seen the contract and I can smell dodgey all the way from here.

signed..

agricultrual/dairy contractor for 16 years.

Run forest... run!!!

[Argyle]

So as i understand it, you can't do independent contracting on 15dollar per hour it would just be a great loss for me.

I'm wondering now what should i write to the woman who interviewed me. I would really want to do the job but i don't want to be ripped off and i don't want to do lots of paperwork and mocking around with taxes etc. I just want a job, work and get payed. Like I do now but not working 50 - 70h per week.

Any suggestions? I can ask if the company would be able to employ me as a employee instead? Give my reasons, trying won't kill anyone.

cheers!

[p.dath]

So as i understand it, you can't do independent contracting on 15dollar per hour it would just be a great loss for me.

I'm wondering now what should i write to the woman who interviewed me. I would really want to do the job but i don't want to be ripped off and i don't want to do lots of paperwork and mocking around with taxes etc. I just want a job, work and get payed. Like I do now but not working 50 - 70h per week.

Any suggestions? I can ask if the company would be able to employ me as a employee instead? Give my reasons, trying won't kill anyone.

cheers!

Companies that write contracts like that tend to be bad employers. Careful what you wish for.

But if you really want, say your keen but want to be an employee, not a contractor. And that you want $x/hour.

And I assume your visa allows you to work in New Zealand ...