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    I was gutted the war pig wasn't allowed to wear the front end ouot of an 89 zxr750

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    Quote Originally Posted by neil_cb125t View Post
    Basically when someone runs newer shaped fairings on a posties bike for 3 years - people get angry when you start to win... and beat PC SNRs.......

    NO its the start to a tighter set of rules- sorry tighter monitoring of the rules.

    Some people have been cheating - and then there is is people like myself that have a full blown ZXR400h1 with all the pre 89 bits. I just happen to have 03 fairings on it, as it doesn't look old and shit people thought its against the rules....
    Just to clarify a few things to everyone, the pre'89 class was only officially recognised by the MNZ last year. Over the previous years each club has basically run their own rules.
    Now that it is an official class the rules will need to start being enforced.
    There will be a few issues to bring all the bikes into line with the rules and some time will be allowed for this.
    But at the end of the day it is a period racing class, and it is more about the bikes resembling bikes of that era.
    I doubt the compliants were regarding performance benifits of the later model fairings, as Chappy's bike would be just as quick with the original fairings, or with none at all.
    I have the utmost respect for what Neil has done to his bike and his riding skills and I look forward to chasing him around Manfield at round 5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neil_cb125t View Post
    So would no one watch if the class had the V1000 britten in it, as it was produced pre 89... or an RC30.. or a Cagiva 500... an ELF with single sided swing arms on the back and the front!! all bikes that look like mine and go like stink??

    also how many young guys do you see racing in classics?? And when we turn up we get it from all angles from the likes of this post. Once again ive run my bike with these fairings all over the country for 3 years, only when i beat the favourites or locals or who ever do people speak up.....

    Also the Classic nortons, triumphs racers build there OWN frames..... is that of the era?? were the steels and construction methods the same 40 years ago - and does that give people an advantage??

    some people like to have there bikes look old - some do not. If it doesnt give me an advantage then so....... its RACING not a bike show.
    Its the old story, nobody notices until you start winning, i am very aware of this & bulid my machines accordingly, because i regularly win.
    And, yes, if classic stuff is presented to appear nearer original, people can identify with it & will become interested in the class.
    Young people that race classics?? Heard of Sam Smith Nick Cole or La Salle Carr?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mossy1200 View Post
    Problem with mine is that at any time there is 15 parts on tardme that relist every week over and over.There just isnt bits around.My spare wheels had to come from US.I had the chance to buy complete spare bike 12 months ago for parts and have regretted not getting it ever since.
    I know what its like finding parts mate, i bought my 1st LC 16 years ago and have bought another 4 since then. I have finally got enough (just about) mint bits to do a restore on my 1st LC. The race bike has been thru the wars and i cant see that changing
    I will keep a eye out for FZR parts or a dead bike.

    Are you racing round 4 on saturday?

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    Its great that you can keep your fairings.
    But Neil you must understand where some peoples comments are coming from.
    Not the whole newer fairings make you fast crap, but the wanting to keep postie bikes looking like they were back in the day comments.

    Im not on their side you know that, but dont feel they are attacking you when you read/hear comments about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RDjase View Post
    I know what its like finding parts mate, i bought my 1st LC 16 years ago and have bought another 4 since then. I have finally got enough (just about) mint bits to do a restore on my 1st LC. The race bike has been thru the wars and i cant see that changing
    I will keep a eye out for FZR parts or a dead bike.

    Are you racing round 4 on saturday?
    Ill be there as per the norm.I do have good collection now but i am regretting not buying a second race fzr when I had the chance because buying new discs and carb parts would have paid for it alone.Plus I would have had third set rims for intermediate tyres.LOL

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    Some parts like fairings are hard to find and very expensive so I can understand people adapting what they can find at a good price.Getting inventive with old technology is also part of racing.Double bracing frames,400/600 fzrs,7/11 bike conversions are other examples of major upgrades that get grey in some rules.We have a rule that says original motor castings so is a 400/600 fzr a 400 or 600 cause if its 600 then it should have 600 swingarm and front forks etc.If its a 400 then it should have 400 engine castings.
    Some people look at the leaders trying to explain the reason they do well as cheating,others enjoy conflict and some believe that Neils bike is not the correct shape.Now that Neil has permission to use the tail then personal opinion is all these people have(which they are entitled have)but lets face it if we lined all the pre89 bikes up more than one will have later model tail cones.

    People dont come to see pre89 unless you meen my wife cause shes a champ.
    People do come to see *fast laps aka 2.03 longtrack on smaller bike.
    *misfortune aka outa gas last lap while winning
    *thrills and spills aka handstand high side

    Now who is creating interest?What do you think average spectators will remember about Neil and his bike when they leave the track?

    Saying this I do like the look of my bike but exact replica bike meens less than trick bits hiding under the covers.(Not directed at any bike and no knowledge of any cheating but just hope its not going on).

    On a happy note. Few more sleeps . Good luck to all .

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    Quote Originally Posted by mossy1200 View Post

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    Some parts like fairings are hard to find and very expensive so I can understand people adapting what they can find at a good price.Getting inventive with old technology is also part of racing.Double bracing frames,400/600 fzrs,7/11 bike conversions are other examples of major upgrades that get grey in some rules.We have a rule that says original motor castings so is a 400/600 fzr a 400 or 600 cause if its 600 then it should have 600 swingarm and front forks etc.If its a 400 then it should have 400 engine castings.
    I have recently bought a VJ21 RGV250, 8/89 build date, the engine needs work(as expected) and i did have plans a fitting a RZ350 engine with some flat sides and chambers, Yammagammas got built in that era(with RG 250 tho)

    Is this an allowed modification since all the parts are pre89?

    Or does it work out that its not? like with the USDs only allowed on ZXRs because they were the only bike of that era fitted with them, not fitted to any other pre 89 bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by RDjase View Post
    I have recently bought a VJ21 RGV250, 8/89 build date, the engine needs work(as expected) and i did have plans a fitting a RZ350 engine with some flat sides and chambers, Yammagammas got built in that era(with RG 250 tho)

    Is this an allowed modification since all the parts are pre89?

    Or does it work out that its not? like with the USDs only allowed on ZXRs because they were the only bike of that era fitted with them, not fitted to any other pre 89 bike

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    This is the grey bit cause one rule is original motor castings.RZ350 motor and castings by my interp means you are building rz350 therefore you must have rz forks and rz swingarm.the casting rule is strict and the fork rule is model specific and swingarm should be stock.How can it be within the rules.
    If you had 7/11 then you could claim that people raced 7/11 bikes in or before 89 which is likely that would make your bike a hybrid pre89 replica etc but I think you would struggle to find a rz350/rgv250 bike that raced in or before 1989.This is where it is up to the rider to prove that it complies.If you have doubt contact someone who can confirm it for you and let them know what you intend to do.
    Im no authority and what i see in a competition rule book is not what the next person will see but your build seems outside the rules as I read them.

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    yep i suppose cause im new to that story ( picked on cause now doing well ) it a bit of a shock....

    ill take things away...

    but leave the arguments for the track....

    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    Its the old story, nobody notices until you start winning, i am very aware of this & bulid my machines accordingly, because i regularly win.
    And, yes, if classic stuff is presented to appear nearer original, people can identify with it & will become interested in the class.
    Young people that race classics?? Heard of Sam Smith Nick Cole or La Salle Carr?
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    The peoples to speak to are NZPCA - they are the highest auth on this stuff
    They are pretty busy so can take a while to get back to you- but if you have answer form them then your in the clear!!

    which feels great!!

    Quote Originally Posted by RDjase View Post
    I have recently bought a VJ21 RGV250, 8/89 build date, the engine needs work(as expected) and i did have plans a fitting a RZ350 engine with some flat sides and chambers, Yammagammas got built in that era(with RG 250 tho)

    Is this an allowed modification since all the parts are pre89?

    Or does it work out that its not? like with the USDs only allowed on ZXRs because they were the only bike of that era fitted with them, not fitted to any other pre 89 bike

    See you on Saturday
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky Bills View Post
    Its great that you can keep your fairings.
    But Neil you must understand where some peoples comments are coming from.
    Not the whole newer fairings make you fast crap, but the wanting to keep postie bikes looking like they were back in the day comments.

    Im not on their side you know that, but dont feel they are attacking you when you read/hear comments about that.
    With you on this one too.....
    Looking at it, it isn't too hard at the end of the day.

    Just need to get the bike in to the "Skin Gods" for a day or two....

    Amazing how many Structural fasteners are no longer fit for use on aircraft......
    I have access to the plastic, and the paint job won't take long....
    We can make it look 1989 ZXR again, no worries there...
    Will look better than brand new, but that is called presentation

    Truth is, Neil thinks he has got enough out of the boys when it comes to the bike....
    I have only scratched the surface!!!
    People are prepared to help the Sarge out too

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    Yeah i agree - you know me - i never oevr react....

    i dont really like people telling me im driving people away from watching..... funny how this is all at club level!!

    ill take it witha grain of salt.... and leave the scraps to be done on the track

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky Bills View Post
    Its great that you can keep your fairings.
    But Neil you must understand where some peoples comments are coming from.
    Not the whole newer fairings make you fast crap, but the wanting to keep postie bikes looking like they were back in the day comments.

    Im not on their side you know that, but dont feel they are attacking you when you read/hear comments about that.
    Chappy

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    :Hahaha yeah matey exactly thou i have some sim problems in F3....

    maybe i need to go back to street stock - all the bikes were the same and standard.............

    how you been anyway dude - havent seen you for ever!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by JayRacer37 View Post
    Thats the other trouble with PC people, they all want to build rules to outlaw threat bikes that arn't theirs!!!

    Eh Chappy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by neil_cb125t View Post

    i dont really like people telling me im driving people away from watching..... funny how this is all at club level!!
    Good point....
    Great VMCC has a crowd TO drive away......

    Nationals on the other hand....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayRacer37 View Post
    Thats the other trouble with PC people, they all want to build rules to outlaw threat bikes that arn't theirs!!!

    Eh Chappy?

    Thats because we are all cheats , harden up Young Jeddi , You should know all about legal bikes , you dunn proddy racing lol .


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