Chappy happy with NZPC opinion to date on newer model fairings

[sidecar bob]

So nobody ran ZXR400 USD's on any other model "back in the day" ??

Its about entertainment at reasonable cost, plus a level playing feild. If you want to run USD's you could race a superbike.

[scracha]

Its about entertainment at reasonable cost, plus a level playing feild. If you want to run USD's you could race a superbike.

Surely allowing the 400's to run USD forks would help level the playing field?

Nope, not interested in upside downers myself. This is all good, just trying to get some clarification of what's not allowed.

Never gonna say never, But let me see. ZXR400's were only a year old when the cut off hit and were not imported by Kawasaki NZ into NZ. You do the maths...

So the "specials" such as GSXR7/11's that we can emulate have to have been done in New Zealand?

[malcy25]

Surely allowing the 400's to run USD forks would help level the playing field?

Nope, not interested in upside downers myself. This is all good, just trying to get some clarification of what's not allowed.


So the "specials" such as GSXR7/11's that we can emulate have to have been done in New Zealand?

Why do we need to "level the playing field" to make some piece of pox win a race when it otherwise would have never ever in it's day? Competition is hard, sort of a motorised darwin theory!! Just we have an end date here for the evolution process in this instance.

Despite what they teach at schools nowdays, someone has to lose and we can't all be winners.

I have to admit I like my kit too, but I think at times too many riders are magpies attracted to shiny bits. They need to just use what they have properly. Adding random kit won't make your bike faster. Proper Set up will...and I'm as guilty as anyone. New Ohlins shock, hmmm rider is the problem after all!

Interestingly question of the day, what was the first Honda road bike that had OEM fitted USD forks.....and what year.

Specials: No worldwide is fine. I was just using that as an example of the reality (ie little) of the likelihood of ZXR400 forks being used on other bikes en mass.

But the primary thing here is that the forks were excluded from everything else to stop them now being fitted when they essentailly never were and just creatinga distortion of the time space continuum! It'll suck Manfeild into a black hole otherwise!!

[neil_cb125t]

The britten raced at Daytona in 1990....... sorry but it did.

my bikes an H1 and ive been cleared to run my fairings.... if people have a problem........ build a posties bike ( what ever size, doesnt seem to matter )and come have a play..... you need more than what youd expect - specally on long track.

I get me self all worked out over this stuff... bottom line more people see me doing ok on a PC bike hopefully they will spend money on legal mods ( like what ive done ) and get stuck into the posties scene!!

Wonder why the Puke classic festival has the biggest gate of any 2 wheel event at Puke. The promotion they do well, but you still need a good underlying product....people come out of the woodwork once a year to go look at the old bikes.

I read earlier this year in AMCN that the comparable event at Phillip Island, which is a 2 hour drive from Melbourne had a gate of 18,000 spectators over the weekend. The 3rd largest 2 wheeled event there. Only the GP and superbikes were bigger. Must be something in it.

The rule bing quoted in Neil's case is about keeping the bikes looking like old bikes / bikes of the period. Might be Mutton dressed as Mutton, but I'd least I'd like to know it's Mutton and not lamb..... My personal view for what it is worth, if you want to ride a modern looking bike, go buy one. I thought S/C Bob said it best!

I've read reference to F3 vs Posties and changing body work between events? Why? Why not just build a bike which meets both classes? PC is more restrictive, so build to that.

Okay , next one - I've read a lot crap here about what you can and can't do and what you mix and match and most of it is crap sorry. Here's how it is and referencing some of the points raised and distilling the rules:
1) ZXR400 USD forks can only be used on ZXR400's.
2) If you were lucky to have something like an true 888 Corsa with period Ohlins / Aprilia 250 Vtwin GP bike with period White Power, Y4EIR with period Ohlins, ex Rainey/Magee/Spencer/McKenzie 1989 YZR500 with period Ohlin's, They can all run.
3) If you have a FZR400 and want to run ZXR 400 USD's - go away.
4) The major component rules require that all of the major components MUST come from the period or be exact replica's of. These are Forks, brakes (Calipers/Discs), Carbs, engine cases, swing arm, frame.
5) there is no rule which says that the a bike must use the engine from the same manufacturer as the frame, as the swing arm etc. Nor is there a rule which says that you can't squeeze a bigger engine (ie FZR400/600) In fact in Aussie I have seen a number of Honda's and Kwaka's with swing arms from a particular Suzuki. But I would hope that people would build something which is consistent with what was actually done in the period though. Nor am I advocating "bitza's" built with anything laying around. If Drew wants to Put RWU ZXR750H1 forks into something, that can be done.
6) Modifications: Can't remember the rule currently, but mods across all of this are allowed. ie frame bracing, etc etc. But it should be consistent with what was done in the period. Ie taking a GSXR750H and making it a beam frame ain't going to cut it!
7) Replica parts - can be used in any proportion. Shit, things wear out, get bent. Manufacturers stop making OEM replacements. But they must be consistent with the original in respective of look/feel, dimensions, materials. Ie a steel tube frame recreated in alloy...nope!!! I know Spondon built 10 replica TZ750 frames 2-3 years ago to get bikes running again where motors had come back out of sidecars and the original chassis was long gone. Which is better - 10 more big funky strokers in the world or 10 engines laying idle....what about guys who spnak their bike up big time and need a replacement frame for a model not made in 20 years?
8) Period go fast bits can be used. This ain't production racing so if you can get a works kit OW swing arm for your OW - cool!
9) if you want to put an '85 TZ250 fairing and seat on your RZ350 - is cool. Though I personally would like to see it looking more like the RZ it really is.
10) If someone bitches about your paint colour. Tell them HTFU and show them the road.
11) Carry over models, ie bikes made after the cut off. These can be used, but MUST be IDENTICAL to the legal model. Ie a ZXR400H is, a ZXR400L is not. Parts of an L which are Identical to the H parts are okay.

Contrary to popular opinion, the postie boys are not control freaks. It's all about keeping the class rules consistent with what the bikes were using in the period in terms of major components, and what they looked like. ie with reason, like the clock stopped at that point and being fair for everyone, and balance the underlying dynamic of the rules being preservation of the bikes as close as possible to what was being run at the time.

You could argue, if the rules are set correctly up front and truly represent what the world looked like, there is little need for any subsequent rule changes.... If that is something which a rider can not fit in or willing to work within, is Posties the right class for them?

Tall Poppy syndrome: Sorry to disappoint some riders, but I know any number of illegal bikes that have been targeted that have not been at the pointy end, once of which was probably usually running last. Most guys are interested in getting the bikes right for the class. Obviously if you win, or your bike is obviously different or special, it will get more looks and more eyes mean more chance for someone to see something they may think is not kosha.

By the way, for info, the Purple/Pink V1000 Britten with the carbon fork legs / funny front end was 91 from memory.....

and lastly GSXR7/11's were common in the states I think. But irrespective, is legal anyway as the rules stand.

As you were.

[neil_cb125t]

Totally!! and if glen jumps on a RG150 after a leg was amputated id still have problems.... but would be ineresting to find out when the last F3 title was given to a posties bike......

Probably before GW came on the scene on his girl's commuter.





Not to take anything away from your obvious riding skills but with more HP than a stock SV, upside down forks and dual opposing brake pistons, it's hardly a piece of shit is it ?

Is someone regreting racing in a LIMITED PRODUCTION CLASS... you know if you raced in F3... you could do all these mods...


Your right - id never call mine a piece of crap - but i do rub it in peoples faces ( specally 600 riders faces ) when i beat em!!

[Peter Smith]

Your right - id never call mine a piece of crap - but i do rub it in peoples faces ( specally 600 riders faces ) when i beat em!!

And 750 riders and don't forget FZR1000 riders. Mossy who.
Good on ya.
Take it easy on me though, aye mate.

Good luck for the weekend.

[malcy25]

bottom line more people see me doing ok on a PC bike hopefully they will spend money on legal mods ( like what ive done ) and get stuck into the posties scene!!

Aye, that's the plan!

[mossy1200]

And 750 riders and don't forget FZR1000 riders. Mossy who.
Good on ya.
Take it easy on me though, aye mate.

Good luck for the weekend.

Im watching you Peter.Neil spanked me couple of times but I got riding lessons.Neil might go easy on you but you will be on my lap traffic list.LOL

[RDjase]

Hello all newer fairing haters....

just had this from NZPCA today... My fairings will remain on the bike until NZPC have a different opinion.

We all know that its my fairings that are making me do so well

see you at round 4

chappy


Hi Neil
, The fairing ruling is a hot topic at present for the time been I am
happy for you to run with your present body work and will keep you up to
date on any progress with the ruling. From Jason at NZPC

25-2-6: Fairing
Fairing and streamlining is permitted if they are of the type and style in keeping with the period of competition.


So does this mean that this rule doesnt apply now? It is a MNZ rule and a NZPCRA rule

Im not worried what fairings you use Neil, and if the late fairings dont give you an advantage why dont you want to use the original and make your bike look like it did in 1989?

Would be cool for the spectaters and Post classic racers alike seeing a 1989 bike that looks like a 1989 bike take the F3 crown , than a new looking 20year old bike woundnt it?

[sidecar bob]

25-2-6: Fairing
Fairing and streamlining is permitted if they are of the type and style in keeping with the period of competition.


So does this mean that this rule doesnt apply now? It is a MNZ rule and a NZPCRA rule

Im not worried what fairings you use Neil, and if the late fairings dont give you an advantage why dont you want to use the original and make your bike look like it did in 1989?

Would be cool for the spectaters and Post classic racers alike seeing a 1989 bike that looks like a 1989 bike take the F3 crown , than a new looking 20year old bike woundnt it?

I dont understand it Jase, id have thought you'd look a bit lame winning a semi classic class on a brand new bike, i mean thats what the public see.
I tend to go the other way & make the gear look older than it actually is so we look more skilled cleaning up on old shit.

[malcy25]

Hi Neil
, The fairing ruling is a hot topic at present for the time been I am
happy for you to run with your present body work and will keep you up to
date on any progress with the ruling. From Jason at NZPC

the bit about "will keep you up to date with progress" I would read as there may be more coming in future about this?

I wouldn't rush out and buy modern body work.....

[Deano]

Is someone regreting racing in a LIMITED PRODUCTION CLASS... you know if you raced in F3... you could do all these mods...

Hell no - no regrets here. Pro twins is a cheaper class and I get the best of both worlds cause I still get to play with the F3 field, both on the track and at the streets.

[Billy]

25-2-6: Fairing
Fairing and streamlining is permitted if they are of the type and style in keeping with the period of competition.


So does this mean that this rule doesnt apply now? It is a MNZ rule and a NZPCRA rule

Im not worried what fairings you use Neil, and if the late fairings dont give you an advantage why dont you want to use the original and make your bike look like it did in 1989?

Would be cool for the spectaters and Post classic racers alike seeing a 1989 bike that looks like a 1989 bike take the F3 crown , than a new looking 20year old bike woundnt it?

Yip,Some good points here,If its in the MNZ rulebook then a letter from the NZPCRA will not cut the mustard if there is an official protest.

ZXR 400 H bodywork is readily available from Glen at JUST FAIRINGS and yeah it was cool watching Andy Bolwell winning F3 3years ago with the standard bodywork on

[codgyoleracer]

A good 4 Fiddy , well set up can def still cut the mustard aye Billy. The Tiggy of jasons though should be humming this year and we all got somthing to worry about there ! (let alone a few 600 triples turning up......)
Good luck for the weekend neil & keep Mr BooKlay behind ya !
Glen

[scrivy]

I tend to go the other way & make the gear look older than it actually is so we look more skilled cleaning up on old shit.

Are you talking about the swingers and riders looking older??? I mean, come on Bob, there's now a verandah over the garage, more grey hair, and achy joints, and don't get me started on failing memory.....
Even our leathers are older than some of our competition!!!

We really don't have to try to make it look any older eh.............