Six of the best - a punishment thread

[tri boy]

Violence begets violence. Corporal punishment was stopped for a good reason.

Bollocks.
It was stopped because too many sheila's got into the education system.

[SixPackBack]

you have to question if those that reminisce so fondly about corporal punishment got some sort of sexual gratification having their arses caned.

Was bad alright, gave us honda riders, fags and coppers.....

[Winston001]

All that bollocks about the big deal made over a few slaps at a school rugby match and the typical 'touchy feeley' way it was handled......see other threads...

Nowadays, these little pricks can expect no more than a seat at a 30 minute focus group plus a pamphlet on anger management for just about burning the fucking school down.

In reality some of these boys were suspended from rugby for 16 months. That's far far tougher than getting six strokes. In fact too tough IMHO - we never see first class players getting suspensions like that.

Anyway, as a general rule I'm opposed to physical punishment of children. However I'll admit that for a lot of boys at high school, a few strokes of the cane would be an effective punishment. Quick, painful, and done with.

I remember being caned at boarding school. Most of the masters weren't sadistic and just relied on the threat. Can recall once being a smart-alec and getting caned. My mistake was I was wearing school dress trousers at the time - damn that hurt. Might as well have been in my jocks.

[smoky]

Spare the rod, spoil the child.
Still relevant today.
(not that anyone is listening)
Straps n canes cause less pain and suffering than being fucked up the arse by 8-10 prison mates because you never learnt how to behave/act in society.(so I'm told)

Firstly I take it you meant to quote the bible, not Samuel Butler 1660ish
from a poem about the civil war - Spare the rod (that was used to load the black powder charge) and spare the child (don't shoot the young boy sent into war)

the quote from Proverbs you probably meant to quote is "He that spares the rod, hates his son."

you can find a lot of things in the bible that are taken out of context or suffered from politically charged poor translation. This quote was only ever translated using the word 'rod' in the 1500's - before that the word that was translated as 'rood'; a kind of shield or screen, or a special blessing that a father put on their son. A later catholic use of the word is 'out working of the cross' being the place of redemption and His redemptive cover over the saints

But don't let facts stop you from using this so called quote, to justify the violence used against children thru the generations

I'm not against smacking - but if you think you need to take up a weapon to beat your child with - I think you miss the point of parenting

Just my opinion - but what do I know

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

I had a healthy respect for my headmaster, stood outside his door on a few occasions and felt his wrath on a couple (cane). Also had a local cop in my moped days (FS1E) who pulled me and a few mates over for hooning round town (as you do), made us take out our spark plugs, clipped one and all smartly round the ear and told us to push our bikes back to find said spark plugs on the gate posts. looking back I dont have a problem with any of it.

[Maha]

Strap at Primary School,
Cane at High School.
. a fond memior is one day a school a teacher drew a chalk line down my face, I rub it off got a slap around ear for this, my brother told Dad , that weekend teacher was cycling past home Dad walked out on to road grabbed centre of handle bars, bike stopped teacher kept going!!!! Dad told him never to lay a hand on any of his kids again.

And the sad part is, the teachers in my day had fucking names for the strap or cane...one teacher at High School would make you put your head under the Fire Hose real and then cane ya. Your head was not ment to be touching the Hose real, about three inches gap was required beacause, what was the reaction when you get caned? thats right, stand up.

[ynot slow]

Violence begets violence. Corporal punishment was stopped for a good reason.

Disagree with that comment.My grandad was beaten as a kid,had boiling water thrown over his head,this now days is a classic case of post natal depression from his mum.He should've been the most abusive father or poppa,never hit his kids or us grandkids.Likewise dad never hit us,mum did the odd time(dad usually working lol)but we deserved it,and never with a weapon,only her hand and a whack on bum.

Have a retired teacher who is a good family friend,taught me in high school,he said it went downhill when corporal punishment was outlawed.He was coach of rugby team,even buying boots for a few kids whose parents were hopeless,they went on to play rep and maori grade to high level,this was 20 yrs ago.He was never assaulted at school by pupils,until the day they banned corporal punishment.He was assaulted a couple of times,and once by a girl(big one),the school told the parents whose reply was can he play in 1st 15 this weekend?

[tri boy]

Firstly I take it you meant to quote the bible, not Samuel Butler 1660ish
from a poem about the civil war - Spare the rod (that was used to load the black powder charge) and spare the child (don't shoot the young boy sent into war)

the quote from Proverbs you probably meant to quote is "He that spares the rod, hates his son."

Nah mate. I don't read the bible, and I sure as hell only fire one cannon, and it lives in my mucka's.
take the phrase as the way it reads.
If you spare the rod, (ie stick, cane, thatch) then you are spoiling the childs chance to learn about boundaries and crossing them without learning about consequences properly. Ma used the phrase after she flogged me with the leather dog lead.

[Mom]

Disagree with that comment.My grandad was beaten as a kid,had boiling water thrown over his head,this now days is a classic case of post natal depression from his mum.He should've been the most abusive father or poppa,never hit his kids or us grandkids.Likewise dad never hit us,mum did the odd time(dad usually working lol)but we deserved it,and never with a weapon,only her hand and a whack on bum.

I agree! If that were true then there was no hope for me raised the way I was. I should by rights be a total thug.

I am pleased that corporal punishment has been removed from schools. Not because the odd, short, sharp reminder of what is ok and what is not is bad, but because it gave some very sadistic teachers an avenue to get their jollies at the pain and humilliation of children.

There are some kids that are raised in a home where a beating is normal. So you get "the bash", so what! You go to school and dont give a shit, and lo and behold you get "the bash" for your attitude and behaviour. You go home and you get more of the same. Eventually the school contacts home about your behaviour, you get home from school and get "the bash" because you play up at school.

[PrincessBandit]

I have a very lovely looking diamante studded riding crop on my tard-me watchlist. Not too many takers here then......

[Gareth51]

All I learned from capital punishment was not to get caught - this skill has helped me considerably throughout my life.

Another life skill lost to todays generation

[smoky]

Nah mate. I don't read the bible, .....
take the phrase as the way it reads.
If you spare the rod, (ie stick, cane, thatch) then you are spoiling the childs chance to learn about boundaries and crossing them without learning about consequences properly. Ma used the phrase after she flogged me with the leather dog lead.

Most people are quoting the bible when they use that 'phrase', but fair enough

My grandad was beaten as a kid,........He should've been the most abusive father or poppa,never hit his kids or us grandkids.Likewise dad never hit us, mum did the odd time(dad usually working lol)but we deserved it,and never with a weapon,only her hand and a whack on bum.

I agree - just because some one was abused as a child does not automatically mean they'll abuse.
But there is a huge link, and an overwhelming number of people who were abused who do go on to abuse

I don't have a problem with the normal ol smack, but like you said 'not with a weapon'

Have a retired teacher who is a good family friend,taught me in high school,he said it went downhill when corporal punishment was outlawed.He was coach of rugby team,even buying boots for a few kids whose parents were hopeless,they went on to play rep and maori grade to high level,this was 20 yrs ago.He was never assaulted at school by pupils,until the day they banned corporal punishment.He was assaulted a couple of times,and once by a girl(big one),the school told the parents whose reply was can he play in 1st 15 this weekend?

That's terrible

But My dad taught at one of the worst High schools in NZ, they abolished corporal punishment way before any law, they found it was ineffective with kids who get beaten up by experts on a regular basis at home

[smoky]

I have a very lovely looking diamante studded riding crop on my tard-me watchlist. Not too many takers here then......

You may get a few takers if you offer to use it on them for the first time - there's some sicko's around

[DougB]

I still have my cane, it has red taped end I used to tell the boys it was so the blood would not show. It has a name 'whistling rufus' I could walk into a classroom making a swishing sound with it and say "Whistling Rufus is feeling well today boys"

I seldom ever used it and usualy only for breaches of safety rules in the engineering workshop. I would never cane a delinquent boy as it would not help him or me. A short sharp punishment seemed to do no harm to a mentaly healthy lad and got the crime paid for in short order, no time wasting detentions or lines. Sometimes a child would ask for the cane instead of a detention to get it over with. I never complied.

During teacher training I was put to observe a woodwork teacher at Pasadena Intermediate school. When he wanted a class situation to do a demonstration he would say "Form a class last one up gets the strap"
The rush to the front was spectacular to watch but dangerous. I expected to see the kids going over top of the benches.

I never had any trouble with class control I treated each person with respect and got it in return. I was in country schools and knew the Pakeha pupils parents and, most importantly the Maori kids grandmothers, and their blood lines so I could show nesessary respect to the tribal chiefs children. I knew that no Maori would show up a chiefs child so they had to be educated before any of the others would learn anything. Most of the Maori offenders today did not have the benifit of their grandmothers guidance (their parents shifted to work in the city and had no idea of how grandmothers bought up children) nor do they relate to or know about their tribal values.

I seem to be rambling - better get to bed - a Big Bikes ride in Hamilton tomorrow afternoon.

[LBD]

Anyway, as a general rule I'm opposed to physical punishment of children. However I'll admit that for a lot of boys at high school, a few strokes of the cane would be an effective punishment. Quick, painful, and done with.

I remember being caned at boarding school. Most of the masters weren't sadistic and just relied on the threat. Can recall once being a smart-alec and getting caned. My mistake was I was wearing school dress trousers at the time - damn that hurt. Might as well have been in my jocks.

You have just gone down in my estem....I thought you would have been smart enough to stuff an exersize book down the seat of yer pants...

I am opposed to excessive physical punishment of children...and don't ask me quantify excessive...but I condone a smack to that soft fleshy part of the anatomy that seems purpose built for that treatment, on occasions.

Don't know if I would call boys at high school children so much, I agree with your sentiments on quick and swift...over and done with.

My mum only seldom strapped me...leather dog collar...blue (Dont know why I remember that.)

My Dad only once...with his hand, I deserved it...and he made it count. The upshot is, because it was seldom, when it did happen it meant so much more