Six of the best - a punishment thread

[tri boy]

Caning a 100kg 16yr old pacific islander is hardly child abuse you lot.
Sammyfellof thesofa would feel it for a couple of minutes then head back to class with the rest of us, knowing that there are boundaries that WILL be enforced.
Something that isn't happening today, and the stabbings and general youth violence escalates at an incredible rate.
So we could flip the punishment argument over, and blame the stabbings on the limp wristed dicks that banned corporal punishment in society.

It's all your fault SPB.

[SixPackBack]

My stance came from you calling this man a psychopath mate ! I mean hardly, haha don't know where you went to school, but i remember many teachers occasionally 'swishing' the cane in class. Never have i thought of those ppl as psychopaths !
Edit: Don't get me wrong here SPB, in no way do i condone child abuse and would be the first to step in if i ever witnessed it !
You are correct when you refer to NZ's dismall record there ! But i do feel that the threat of corporal punnishment in schools saved alot of classroom anarchy in my day !
You only need to look at the post below, to see how i would guage psychotic behaviour !!! Or is that paranoid schizophrenic ?


You Sir are the aggressor here !! Can i ask where in this thread i quoted you ?
My father hit me with a bare hand once and all through school and college i recieved the strap but once !
But i have received the occasional beating since then and handed out my fair share, but never have i started a fight, so bring it on my bible quoting, gown wearing, choir boys worst nightmare !!!

..................In my day!.....Yup you have a point sinfull. Social sciences have come along way in the last 50 years. We have traveled from a time when it was a lot easier to beat each other than invest in the social skills necessary to gain compliance [and agreeance] through superior communication.

The anti smacking brigade IMHO has some validity-we shouldn't hit our children [in an ideal world]; but we should have the option. We most definitely should NOT be committing a crime with a tap on a child's leg or bum. Arguments around communication make smacking sometimes necessary, quite simply a parent or individual cannot use communication [no matter how skilled they maybe] if the child is animated or refuses to listen......a small shock soon brings them round!

By the time the child is at school, communication is always available and the argument for corporal punishment negated. Using a strap, cane or even the jug chord is assault-if someone hit an individual with a cane under any normal circumstance, either the coppers would be called, or a fight erupt.

[PrincessBandit]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS]By the time the child is at school, communication is always available and the argument for corporal punishment negated.

It would be nice if this was the case, but many are still not capable of the proper response patterns in order to avoid escalating conflict.

Some, like moi (wonderful child that I was), are very amenable to instruction, reasoning, learning from the example of others that I saw around me. Other children just seem to have their "reasoning and co-operation" switch deactivated so not matter how persuasive, patient, "nice" you try to be when restraining or disciplining they don't get it.

[tri boy]

News flash.
SPB scared of the jandal.

[AD345]

Headmasters son - untouchable.





Good times, good times.....

[wickle]

Headmasters son - untouchable.





Good times, good times.....

at our school you would have got your hair washed in the poclien bowl!

[AD345]

at our school you would have got your hair washed in the poclien bowl!

Oh yeah - there were always the staunch few that plotted some sort of crap like that.........

.....never came to anything that couldn't be dealt with.

[Winston001]

We had some interesting caners at WBHS when I was there. A large Chinese guy) could draw blood.

Stan Lowe!! : Good guy but deadly with his cane.

[Number One]

Strap in front of class first day of school for farting on the mat during story time.

Soap in mouth during art class for not drawing my sunflower the way the teacher wanted it drawn for the exercise.

Small organ Morgan used to throw chairs, dusters and chalk at kids that pissed him off.

Oh yeah and when me mum broke the wooden spoon on my arse she invested in a green Tupperware salad fork - that bitch had some recoil to it and never broke!

ahhh them were the days

[LBD]

Any one remember a PE teacher in Rangiora....
Killer Kane by name, Killer Kane by nature?

[Mikkel]

When I went to school coporal punishment had been outlawed for at least a decade. Our teachers rarely had trouble keeping discipline... They weren't allowed to hit us, but they'd still grab out ear, the little hairs on the side of your head or our upper arm... and it would hurt and it was enough.
Ok, one older fella would hit us on occassion and never was there made a case out of it... but guess which of our teachers we had the least respect for.
The teacher we had the most respect for was this senior teacher, who I never saw as much as touch a pupil, but get him mad and boy he was nasty. We really didn't want to piss him off, that's for sure. I can't explain what it was, perhaps just a natural air of authority and when he, rather loudly and in intimate detail, expressed his disappointment with you he just made you feel very very bad about yourself. The guy who hit us, on the other hand, just made us defiant.

Have a retired teacher who is a good family friend,taught me in high school,he said it went downhill when corporal punishment was outlawed.

No wonder. If you rely only on the threat of physical retaliation to instill discipline you will be naked when that tool is taken away from you.
Fear is counter productive when trying to teach people - what you need is respect, and respect must be mutual. It can not be obtained when one party is operating from a position of power based upon threat of violence in order to direct the other.

There are other ways in which to make people do as they are told... other much much more effective ways.

My Dad only once...with his hand, I deserved it...and he made it count. The upshot is, because it was seldom, when it did happen it meant so much more

Exactly. If you beat people enough they will just become hardened and callous.

I support corporal punishment in schools and in the justice system at large. Sue bradford says why should children get hit when adults dont? I couldnt agree more, but rather than not hitting children my solution is we start hitting adults. I bet we'd see a lot less tagging if it got 100 strokes of the cane :-)

Fucking oath! (that's sarcasm, so is what follows)

Here's an idea. Let's base our society upon violence. Also, let's get rid of all of those pesky obstacles like freedom of speech, thought and religion. Let's abolish the right to due process and get this show on the road. Hell, let's reinstate the inquisition, that'd be awesome. After all, things were much better back 500 years ago... well, at least there was no car-thieves, no tagging and crims got what was coming to them (provided they stole from nobility of the church of course).

[Bass]

I am puzzled by some of this discussion.
I grew up in a time where corporal punishment was the norm and yet my memories are of a society with hugely less violence than it has now. I have no doubt that there was just as much aggro then as now, perhaps more, but the use of a weapon was rare, as was serious injury
Murder was most unusual and national news for weeks - so too armed robbery.
If any of the neighbourhood kids was in trouble, any of the neighbourhood adults could be relied on to sort it out.

This is my personal experience.

How things have changed.

[Mikkel]

How things have changed.

Indeed. And outlawing coporal punishment is not the only change that has taken place which might have an impact upon social interactions.

Surely, you will not make a case for teachers not hitting pupils as the cause of pupils carrying knives.

[slofox]

Strap in front of class first day of school for farting on the mat during story time.

Bloody well deserved I'd say!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bass]

Indeed. And outlawing coporal punishment is not the only change that has taken place which might have an impact upon social interactions.

Agreed, but I can't see that it has slowed the spread of the rot, rather I fear that it may have hastened it. There used to be consequences when one screwed up at a minor level which discouraged advancing to the majors. They were short, sharp, to the point, over and done with and we moved on. To my eyes they seem to have gone.

Surely, you will not make a case for teachers not hitting pupils as the cause of pupils carrying knives.

No, of course not. It is part of the total picture, even so.