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    Quote Originally Posted by Mully View Post
    My brother was one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Headbanger View Post
    How is he now?
    What he said,hope he got it sorted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mully View Post
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...0592615&pnum=0

    Poor guy. Like him or hate him, he and his family don't deserve what P has done to that girl
    Excuse me!

    Paul Homo is using his media clout here and I'd expect his daughter to get a far lesser sentence than Fartoo Big Alofa in Otara for the same crime. Watch this space.

    "What P has done to that girl" is nothing compared to what it does to people without the money to buy good treatment and good lawyers. Sure Millie might have a problem but it's the same problem that thousands of other kiwis have.

    If Paul Holmes was half a journalist he'd be utilising his riches, hunting down the P cooks and getting the best lawyers in the land to lock them up.

    Like the law-enforcement agencies in NZ Mister Holmes will pay lip service to the problem at its root and grandstand when it suits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peasea View Post
    Excuse me!

    Paul Homo is using his media clout here and I'd expect his daughter to get a far lesser sentence than Fartoo Big Alofa in Otara for the same crime. Watch this space.

    "What P has done to that girl" is nothing compared to what it does to people without the money to buy good treatment and good lawyers. Sure Millie might have a problem but it's the same problem that thousands of other kiwis have.

    If Paul Holmes was half a journalist he'd be utilising his riches, hunting down the P cooks and getting the best lawyers in the land to lock them up.

    Like the law-enforcement agencies in NZ Mister Holmes will pay lip service to the problem at its root and grandstand when it suits.
    I find myself agreeing with you on this, its unfortunate that that the law enforcement off the land is coming down to who has the biggest wallet, the manufacture and distribution channels seem to be rolling in disposable income. The law needs to be a three strike your out system for certain offences and class A drug distribution is one of those. Oh no languishing in jail at the tax payers expense either ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMemonic View Post
    I find myself agreeing with you on this, its unfortunate that that the law enforcement off the land is coming down to who has the biggest wallet, the manufacture and distribution channels seem to be rolling in disposable income. The law needs to be a three strike your out system for certain offences and class A drug distribution is one of those. Oh no languishing in jail at the tax payers expense either ...
    All comes back to the lack of 'personal responsibility".Which in turn ultimtely comes back to tree huggers and there misguided followers.The followers are arguably the worst,they want to sacrifice the rights of normal people for the sake of a few fuck-ups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher View Post
    Paul Holmes is way off track on this one. Only smalltime kitchens manufacture P from colds and sniffles potions.
    He actually knows this:
    And if it is a $1.5 billion industry, then that has not come about because of the sale of a few cold and flu tablets over the counter of the chemist shops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher View Post
    Crack (excuse the pun) down hard on the organised gangs, such as the Headhunters, that are making a fortune manufacturing/importing/distributing the stuff. And I'm not just talking about the Police -- I'm talking about citizens in general.
    This has to be the only way, eh? Me being me would squawk about decriminalising weed first - freeing up untold millions of dollars, millions of police-hours and robbing the gangs of their main source of income .... then get nasty on them ... long drawn out PR campaigns painting them to be baby killers; give all those "rahh rahh smacking is good" wastoids something useful to do; and support the police breaking a few eggs to make the omelette of greater good.

    To that end I think Paul Holmes is doing the only genuinely useful thing of his entire life. Shame he had to be taken down a couple of dozen pegs before he started to care about anything other than his career but he does have a good track record for impressing opinions on the masses and should be used.

    The only problem then is to work out what to do with the large number of criminals we are about to produce. I suspect we need to send them to a large offshore colony somewhere.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 98tls View Post
    tree huggers and there misguided followers.The followers are arguably the worst,they want to sacrifice the rights of normal people for the sake of a few fuck-ups.
    I think you misunderstand tree huggers. They are the ones most concerned about the erosion of individual rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slicksta View Post
    The war on drugs can never be won. Education might do something but there will always be victims.
    The current issue with meth (i hate the term P!) has a lot to do with mis-education.

    People have always been told "drugs are bad m'kay!" and that you'll go crazy, kill people, and die if you do anything from pot to bzp to lsd to ecstacy to meth.

    Unfortunately it's a lie for some of those, so the people who use them don't believe it when they hear about the next nasty drug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usarka View Post
    The current issue with meth (i hate the term P!) has a lot to do with mis-education.

    People have always been told "drugs are bad m'kay!" and that you'll go crazy, kill people, and die if you do anything from pot to bzp to lsd to ecstacy to meth.

    Unfortunately it's a lie for some of those, so the people who use them don't believe it when they hear about the next nasty drug.
    Haven't people already heard enough about how bad meth is? It's on the news practically every night! But then when was the last time you heard something on the media about lsd or ecstasy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wbks View Post
    Haven't people already heard enough about how bad meth is? It's on the news practically every night! But then when was the last time you heard something on the media about lsd or ecstasy?
    That's my point - the wolf is real this time.

    About 10 years ago when ecstacy was the "current" drug there was a continuous stream of warnings about the drug. About 5 years ago there were constant warnings about bzp and there seemed to be someone in hospital every weekend from it.

    A lot of todays P users are folk who took ecstacy and other drugs and have tuned out to the warnings either because they don't ignore them or that they've proven themselves able to handle dangerous drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headbanger View Post
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    What he said,hope he got it sorted.
    Yeah, we managed to sort him out. Mainly by sending him to Australia to escape the people here who got him into it.

    So he's good now. His life is back on track. $15K-odd worth of dental treatment later.

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    Alcohol does much more damage to society, its responsible for more deaths, and more crime than meth.

    I reckon we should legalise it, tax it, and punish those who break the law under its influence the same as we do with booze.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usarka View Post
    People have always been told "drugs are bad m'kay!" and that you'll go crazy, kill people, and die if you do anything from pot to bzp to lsd to ecstacy to meth.

    Unfortunately it's a lie for some of those, so the people who use them don't believe it when they hear about the next nasty drug.
    It's worse than that. We live in a culture that believes that one has to be off one's head on some substance or other in order to have fun, be sociable and fit in -- whether that's tobacco, alcohol, marijuana, ecstasy, cocaine, heroin or crystal meth.

    People then labour through all forms of denial or excuse making to validate the potion that they're currently employing for gratification and acceptance by their peers.

    The thing that startles me most about a lot of this is the willingness that most have to bung all manner of shit in their body that has, at best, been lightly tossed together by Dwayne (who failed NCEA science) on a barbecue in his garage in Dargaville. Given the passion that society has to demand country-of-origin labelling, Heart Foundation ticks, % daily allowance, and all manner of other nanny state conditions on everything else they ingest, I find this a massive contradiction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lias View Post
    Alcohol does much more damage to society, its responsible for more deaths, and more crime than meth.
    Bull. Shit.

    Legalising, as you suggest, makes drugs socially acceptable.

    If crystal meth was as available and as acceptable as alcohol, those of us who remained sober would be heavily armed and living in fortified compounds.
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