Biker down Auckland CBD (27 August)

**PirateJafa** · 29th August 2009, 17:07

Originally Posted by Katman

Yes, that's the usual story.

'Selective Amnesia' it's called.

Yes.

All the other injuries, the double-vision and bleeding in the brain etc is all clearly feigned too.

Fuck, I wish I'd thought of that - he must just be doing this to get out of this semester's exams!

**Squiggles** · 29th August 2009, 17:11

Originally Posted by PirateJafa

Fuck, I wish I'd thought of that - he must just be doing this to get out of this semester's exams!

We'll he was too late for mid semester tests, only missed Friday night!

**PirateJafa** · 29th August 2009, 17:14

Originally Posted by Squiggles

We'll he was too late for mid semester tests, only missed Friday night!

Surely you've heard of "SMC time"?

**Squiggles** · 29th August 2009, 17:15

Originally Posted by PirateJafa

Surely you've heard of "SMC time"?

Yes, Hanne is now 34 hours late coming back from Germany

**PirateJafa** · 29th August 2009, 17:17

Originally Posted by Squiggles

Yes, Hanne is now 34 hours late coming back from Germany

Time for Showgirls then?

**Mekk** · 29th August 2009, 17:18

Did they close the whole intersection or was it just a lane or two?

**PrincessBandit** · 29th August 2009, 17:30

Well one would think that around that time of the morning there would be a number of independent witnesses; surely it shouldn't be too hard to get a clear picture of what happened without relying on either the rider or driver to provide the facts. Surely?...

**James Deuce** · 29th August 2009, 17:33

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

Well one would think that around that time of the morning there would be a number of independent witnesses; surely it shouldn't be too hard to get a clear picture of what happened without relying on either the rider or driver to provide the facts. Surely?...

Just read an interesting article about "independent" witnesses that described how memory recall is tainted by your own ingrained prejudices. It's impossible to build a clear picture, only a prosecution or defence case, neither of which have to be true. Even video of accidents can present very different pictures of the cause of an accident when the same accident is viewed from different angles.

**PirateJafa** · 29th August 2009, 17:35

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

Well one would think that around that time of the morning there would be a number of independent witnesses; surely it shouldn't be too hard to get a clear picture of what happened without relying on either the rider or driver to provide the facts. Surely?...

Really? One would almost think that such a task would be one undertaken by, oh I dunno, the police?

Instead of by some tools living in the arsehole of the country. Still, I guess there ain't much else to do in Taupo.

**YellowDog** · 29th August 2009, 17:41

Loads of CCTV around there.

The Police will be able to give a good indication of speed from the length of the skidmarks. No one was killed, so unless they want to make a case to remove a riding licence for a while (which won't be used anyway), then there will be no point.

**PrincessBandit** · 29th August 2009, 18:23

Originally Posted by PirateJafa

Really? One would almost think that such a task would be one undertaken by, oh I dunno, the police?

Forgive me for suggesting that there might be others who actually saw what happened, who might be able to corroborate a consistent version of events. As opposed to relying solely on the two main, ah, protagonists who may well have a highly selective version to tell.... (and yes, the Police have other means at their disposal, I do know that)

note I did say "may" - and refers to both rider and driver.

**PirateJafa** · 29th August 2009, 18:42

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

Forgive me for suggesting that there might be others who actually saw what happened, who might be able to corroborate a consistent version of events. As opposed to relying solely on the two main, ah, protagonists who may well have a highly selective version to tell.... (and yes, the Police have other means at their disposal, I do know that)

note I did say "may" - and refers to both rider and driver.

There are 4,405 active KB members.

There is approximately 4 million New Zealanders in the country.

That means that there is one KBer for nearly every thousand people in NZ.

Now even if there were 100 people at or around that intersection, there's only a 10% chance that one of them was a KBer. Even less when you account for the fact that there was a KBer who was trying to headbutt a truck into the next century.

Good luck with that.

Also you will note that I said nothing about the rider's nor the driver's versions of events. Rather that the police will have any witnesses that hung around, and it's hardly the job of KB to be solving their investigations for them. Despite what the normal KB kangaroo court may think. :slap:

**PirateJafa** · 29th August 2009, 18:51

Originally Posted by Katman

Perhaps my 27 years of motorcycling experience might count for a little more than your pissy 5 years experience.

Perhaps the point there went over your head. It wouldn't be the first. (Seems to be a family trait?)

I made no comment about my own riding experience. Rather I pointed out that a trained and experienced police crash unit will have more experience and working out causation and fault from an accident scene than someone who clearly thinks they're God's own gift to the world because they've managed to ride a bike for a while (not hard - even children can do it) and clearly thinks that their own shit doesn't stink.

**2wheeljunkie** · 29th August 2009, 22:06

Originally Posted by Katman

Combine that with this........

........and it looks even worse.

i dont understand katman, why are you being so convinced that it was dan's fault when you for one was not present at that time. yes dan may or may not pull wheelies, but in saying that, it doesnt mean he is the one to blame here. You dont have prove that he was speeding right? Yes there's witness, so until the police report has been full announced you really cant say much. Besides, dont tell me you've never done anything dodge in your 27 years of riding. Becareful when throwing stones in a glass house.

**Squiggles** · 29th August 2009, 22:25

Originally Posted by 2wheeljunkie

i dont understand katman, why are you being so convinced that it was dan's fault when you for one was not present at that time. yes dan may or may not pull wheelies, but in saying that, it doesnt mean he is the one to blame here. You dont have prove that he was speeding right? Yes there's witness, so until the police report has been full announced you really cant say much. Besides, dont tell me you've never done anything dodge in your 27 years of riding. Becareful when throwing stones in a glass house.

The train for this debate left a few hours ago Kyle

I'll try drop in to see him again tomorrow, club needs its accounts audited haha