I don't get it?

[CookMySock]

These guys had competed in the nationals and not just some winter series."

[...]at first glance it seems to me that the writer has little respect for all the hard work VMCC do throughout the winter months putting on a fantastic series.

These guys aren't PR communication specialists. Their job is to manage some aspect of racing, not sit around sanitising their wording so every conceivable iteration of it doesn't prod someones' already fragile self-esteem.

Forget it and move on. They have a job to do, and so do you.

Steve

[Biggles08]

These guys aren't PR communication specialists. Their job is to manage some aspect of racing, not sit around sanitising their wording so every conceivable iteration of it doesn't prod someones' already fragile self-esteem.

Forget it and move on. They have a job to do, and so do you.

Steve

you are right in your first sentence DangerousBastard and from there you are unfortunately quite wrong.

It is 'their job' to become (if they are not already) communication specialists if they want to write a newsletter to members. Furthermore, if you think I have a 'fragile' self esteem you clearly do not know me !

Actually, you are also right in your last sentence and to this point - I am doing my job pretty fucking well....is AMCC and its leader? (Debate shall follow I'm sure).

This is exactly why the racing scene is where it is.....medocrity is praised as "doing their job well!" When in fact it still is mediocre! The bar needs to be raised and THEN people who meet it will be praised!

[CookMySock]

Well you can't fix the world, bro. Let it go. Stick to what you know best, and do it well.

Steve

[Rcktfsh]

Well I reckon the racers he knew had it lucky, in my day they had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night,
half an hour before they went to bed, eat a lump
of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day do and pay mill
owner for permission to come to work, and when they got home,
their Dad would kill em, and dance about on thei graves
singing "Hallelujah."
But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't
believe ya'.

[Skunk]

Well you can't fix the world, bro. Let it go. Stick to what you know best, and do it well.

Steve

There aren't enough volunteers for us all to stick to what we know best - there'd be no racing if that was the case. Organisers do the best they can (in their 'spare' time) so the rest can race. That's how it is. None that I know are paid anything - sometimes not even a thanks.

[CookMySock]

There aren't enough volunteers for us all to stick to what we know best - there'd be no racing if that was the case. Organisers do the best they can (in their 'spare' time) so the rest can race. That's how it is. None that I know are paid anything - sometimes not even a thanks.

Sometimes things are crap, but unless you want to do it yourself you just have to let them do it their own way. If you think thats hard, try training staff. Everyone does it their own way.

Let it go. Once you are on the track everything will be fine, and if its not fine, it will be good enough.

Steve

[Skunk]

Sometimes things are crap, but unless you want to do it yourself you just have to let them do it their own way. If you think thats hard, try training staff. Everyone does it their own way.

Let it go. Once you are on the track everything will be fine, and if its not fine, it will be good enough.

Steve

Try organising a race meeting without upsetting any riders and following all the rules using people who are there because they want to help, not necessarily because they have the skills/knowledge (those that do are worth their weight in Gold)...

Training staff is a piece of cake.

I'm never on the track - though I wish I was.

[wharfy]

Well I reckon the racers he knew had it lucky, in my day they had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night,
half an hour before they went to bed, eat a lump
of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day do and pay mill
owner for permission to come to work, and when they got home,
their Dad would kill em, and dance about on thei graves
singing "Hallelujah."
But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't
believe ya'.

Luxury lick road clean wi tongue

[roadracingoldfart]

Well I reckon the racers he knew had it lucky, in my day they had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night,
half an hour before they went to bed, eat a lump
of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day do and pay mill
owner for permission to come to work, and when they got home,
their Dad would kill em, and dance about on thei graves
singing "Hallelujah."
But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't
believe ya'.

Luxury lick road clean wi tongue

Do you get wafers with that ???

[slowpoke]

Hmmmm, all up the whole article is a bit of a strange read, I reckon.

The bloke is encouraging people to work their boxes off to finance their racing (all good) but then seems to be totally discourage them from adjusting their own suspension (WTF?). I could blather on but it's easy throwing stones from back here.

I'm pretty much over the whole "back in the day" rhetoric. There has been, and always will be, folks who prefer to talk about it rather than do it. We don't have a monopoly on people saying racing is too expensive, or geared towards the big spenders. There would have been just as many folks "back in the day" complaining about not being able to afford an RG500 like Stu Avant's or a Macintosh like Freeth's or a Steve Roberts wonderbike like Hiscock's.

Likewise there are just as many people around now making sacrifices to pay for their racing. In an era of staff cutbacks extra work is difficult to come by so instead guys are giving up club racing to concentrate on a crack at the Nat's, or are working away from home and families for extended periods to provide the extra income, etc etc.

If anything the racers now have probably got less incentive, with the virtually non-existent profile of bike racing in NZ, no world class riders venturing down under to inspire them or learn from, and the days of a rider winning a top ride overseas on talent alone a la Slight or Crafar are long gone: bring some BIG bucks or a large advertising market with ya or forget it. Yet they do it anyway.

Times change, is what I'm tryin' to say. Kids are encouraged to aim for tertiary education and the debt that goes with it, rather than score an apprenticeship and earning capacity (admittedly small) at an early age, children are leaving home later in life, yet family time is at a premium with both parents working etc etc. Things aren't better or worse, they're just different: different economic cimate, social climate, priorities etc etc

The only thing that doesn't change is that as long as you can still buy or make somethin' with two wheels and a donk strapped, wired or glued between 'em, folks will wanna race 'em.

[montsta56]

Well said Slowpoke.

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

good response slowpoke!

[wharfy]

Hmmmm, all up the whole article is a bit of a strange read, I reckon.

The bloke is encouraging people to work their boxes off to finance their racing (all good) but then seems to be totally discourage them from adjusting their own suspension (WTF?). I could blather on but it's easy throwing stones from back here.

I'm pretty much over the whole "back in the day" rhetoric. There has been, and always will be, folks who prefer to talk about it rather than do it. We don't have a monopoly on people saying racing is too expensive, or geared towards the big spenders. There would have been just as many folks "back in the day" complaining about not being able to afford an RG500 like Stu Avant's or a Macintosh like Freeth's or a Steve Roberts wonderbike like Hiscock's.

Likewise there are just as many people around now making sacrifices to pay for their racing. In an era of staff cutbacks extra work is difficult to come by so instead guys are giving up club racing to concentrate on a crack at the Nat's, or are working away from home and families for extended periods to provide the extra income, etc etc.

If anything the racers now have probably got less incentive, with the virtually non-existent profile of bike racing in NZ, no world class riders venturing down under to inspire them or learn from, and the days of a rider winning a top ride overseas on talent alone a la Slight or Crafar are long gone: bring some BIG bucks or a large advertising market with ya or forget it. Yet they do it anyway.

Times change, is what I'm tryin' to say. Kids are encouraged to aim for tertiary education and the debt that goes with it, rather than score an apprenticeship and earning capacity (admittedly small) at an early age, children are leaving home later in life, yet family time is at a premium with both parents working etc etc. Things aren't better or worse, they're just different: different economic cimate, social climate, priorities etc etc

The only thing that doesn't change is that as long as you can still buy or make somethin' with two wheels and a donk strapped, wired or glued between 'em, folks will wanna race 'em.

nostalgia ain't what it used to be .....

[Rcktfsh]

Hmmmm, all up the whole article is a bit of a strange read, I reckon.


If anything the racers now have probably got less incentive, with the virtually non-existent profile of bike racing in NZ, no world class riders venturing down under to inspire them or learn from, and the days of a rider winning a top ride overseas on talent alone a la Slight or Crafar are long gone: bring some BIG bucks or a large advertising market with ya or forget it. .

I agree with you slowpoke that profile is crap but contend we still have quality racing. Gareth Jones is a good example of a young rider benefitting from our racing, racing in the dutch championships for a small team he is leading that series. After making the most of a handfull of wild card entries in the german superbike championships he has now been signed to ride the BMW S1000R for Alpha Technik - Van Zon - BMW Motorrad at the final round of the IDM at Hockenheim. This ride has come from talent not sponsorship. He has often commented to the european press that coming into there season straight from hard racing in nz has helped him.

[Rcktfsh]

nostalgia ain't what it used to be .....

Don't get me started on the decline of nostalgia, in my day.......