Com-pu-ter?

[motorbyclist]

i compared the performance on cpubenchmark website, and intell consistently outperforms amd for a given processor speed, I said intell gives more bang per processor cycle, so price did not come into it, as price change all the time

there are several reasons why an intel gets more bang per cycle - none of which should matter to someone making a purchase



RIGHT, so here we go! let's pick a game that's reasonably hard on a CPU, rather than graphics. Prototype is one such game.

from http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,6...hots/Practice/ :
*img attached*

we compare AMD's best to the equivalent Intel

the AMD Phemon II 940@ $336
vs.
the Intel Core i7 920 @ $483

the intel costs an extra 30 odd 43 percent more than AMD for only 2% more perfomance

even more amusing is comparing Intel performance to the AMD performance given a fixed price for a CPU: if you're on a budget, you're better off with AMD

and as for a changing market - I'm yet to see a case where AMD has been undercut by Intel, and doubt we'll see any change by the time ital916 has built his system

[motorbyclist]

You get a warranty on your parts anyway, no different to having a warranty on the full system

you'd be surprised at the stunts shops pull - and to be fair it can often be a mystery as to what exactly is faulty unless you have a lot of parts to swap around.

Sometimes it's just that certain components don't work well together for whatever reason

(PROTIP: stress test any machine you build)

[motorbyclist]

oh lawl - the site fully blocked that link I made

[Squiggles]

mmm but I have a brand spanking new 22" high def monitor sitting on my table, double mmmm.

Get a mac (w 24" monitor) and you'll be in heaven.


Srsly, dont skimp on psu & mobo... can always get a bigger HDD later

[motorbyclist]

squigs, if he gets a mac for gaming and engineering, he needs to dual boot windows anyway, so he's paying twice as much for the hardware and then even more on top for windows - largely defeats the purpose of buying the mac if you're running windows, doesn't it?

(well it would if mac ownership wasn't largely based on fashion and/or religion)

[bogan]

there are several reasons why an intel gets more bang per cycle - none of which should matter to someone making a purchase



RIGHT, so here we go!

from http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,6...hots/Practice/ :


we compare AMD's best to the equivalent Intel

the AMD Phemon II @ $336
vs.
the Intel Core i7 920 @ $483

the intel costs an extra 30 odd 43 percent more than AMD for only 2% more perfomance

even more amusing is comparing Intel performance to the AMD performance given a fixed price for a CPU: if you're on a budget, you're better off with AMD

and as for a changing market - I'm yet to see a case where AMD has been undercut by Intel, and doubt we'll see any change by the time ital916 has built his system

Bang per clock cycle is not completely irrelevant, the higher clock speed and larger transistor size in the amd make them run hotter and require moar power, the average person probly doesnt care about this though.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/

Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300 2.50GHz 1333Mhz FSB for $290 scores 3,553
AMD Phenom II X4 920 2.80GHz 125W for $306 scores 3,105

so i spose it depends which benchmarks you go for. Personally i dont like looking at fps benchmarks when cpus are tested as there is so much other factors involved. Passmark is a program designed specifically to test cpus in an unbiased way.

The AMD uses 125W, whereas the intell uses 95W

cheapest ASUS AMD mobo, $84
cheapest ASUS intel 775 LGA mobo $84

So its a slightly high end processor I picked, but the sort of thing you would want for cad/cam or gaming, chose the cheapest asus mobo for both as comparing features wuda taken too long (too fucking ages as it was!). But my findings indicate intel is superior in all ways

ME and motorbyclist do agree on one thing for sure. Do not get a mac!!

[Danae]

]: -mind explodes from PC talk-

Alas I cannot attain a desktop PC until I actually have a job...so I'm stuck with this laptop which has a shitty mobile chipset graphics mabob that can't run any decent games.

[Squiggles]

then even more on top for windows

Fail logic... i suppose he's going to install linux on his custom build then?

(well it would if mac ownership wasn't largely based on fashion and/or religion)

stability, graphics, and awesome marketing ftw.

[Danae]

[Danae]

[motorbyclist]

Fail logic... i suppose he's going to install linux on his custom build then?

well he could

and win logic - you can't buy a mac without macOS installed, even if you never intend to use it - so he has to pay for two operating systems

I'll not even begin to address your further points.

[motorbyclist]

for some reason Danae's post reminded me of this, and so this is where i shall post it:

Ask a Ninja!

[Danae]

Hahaha! I remember that!

My fave:

[Phurrball]

(Snippity do da)

(well it would if mac ownership wasn't largely based on fashion and/or religion)

Insert Honda ownership there and look in the mirror...

(That was a friendly gibe BTW - there's always more to most decisions than logic alone. Some things add up to more than the logical sum of their parts. Like VFRs or [some] Macs)

Macs ain't perfect, but they do a particularly slick design and integration package - especially the recent machines.

I'm willing to pay extra to avoid teh aggravation of Windoze. The quasi-religion aspect does leave me a little cold though - even if I'm a bit guilty of being a fan boi.

Fail logic... i suppose he's going to install linux on his custom build then?

stability, graphics, and awesome marketing ftw.

Macs are well designed from the ground up including the OS. Aggro free for folks who want a computer to integrate into their life rather than as their life [To be fair, some Windoze is better than it once was]

(I'm currently hating on the fact that with a real job will almost certainly come a Windoze box)

[Slyer]

Mate windows rocks. Problems? Pfft.
Windows 7 is an absolute delight to use.