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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmoot View Post
    Don't forget that up the high mountain and down the deep mineshaft would have an effect on temperature. Temperature affects the weight.
    Temperature affects the volume, not the weight. It becomes more dense at colder temp, less dense at higher temp, but the weight remains the same until such time as some of the water starts evaporating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jantar View Post
    Very simple. The scales will show a lighter weight at both locations. (answer b).

    If the mountain could be as high as 35,700 km (at the equator) then the water would be weightless. Similarly if the mine shaft went right to the center of the earth then it would again be weightless.
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    none of the above, the mass will not change
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    That's a toughy

    First a few assumptions. The scales will display the correct weight at all altitudes.
    Secondly the weight is measured relatively to the surface of the earth.

    As you go up gravity will reduce, and so will weight.

    As you go down towards the centre of the earth, away from the surface, and assuming you don't go past the centre of the earth, I would expect the weight to reduce. This is because gravity should reduce as the body of earth increases above you (and hence the gravity pulling you towards the surface should increase, until you reach the centre of the earth where the gravitational field will be balanced out).

    So my guess is (b).

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    Quote Originally Posted by R6_kid View Post
    Temperature affects the volume, not the weight. It becomes more dense at colder temp, less dense at higher temp, but the weight remains the same until such time as some of the water starts evaporating.
    Sorry, need to clarify.

    Temperature does not affect mass.
    But temperature affect the equipment measuring the mass (spring rate of the scale, internal friction within the scale mechanisms, etc).
    Unless you have an ideal scale. But there is no such thing as ideal scale, and the problem did not stipulate this.

    I would prefer the added weight in the deep mine due to the gold, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by p.dath View Post
    That's a toughy

    ......... you don't go past the centre of the earth, I would expect the weight to reduce. This is because gravity should reduce as the body of earth increases above you (and hence the gravity pulling you towards the surface should increase, until you reach the centre of the earth where the gravitational field will be balanced out)....
    Where do you think gravity is coming from... the earths surface or the centre of the earth ?

    I as un uneducated guesser go with (d) at this point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warr View Post
    Where do you think gravity is coming from... the earths surface or the centre of the earth ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warr View Post
    Where do you think gravity is coming from... the earths surface or the centre of the earth ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warr View Post
    Where do you think gravity is coming from... the earths surface or the centre of the earth ?

    I as un uneducated guesser go with (d) at this point
    Gravity comes from everything with mass. You have a gravitational field - it's just very small.

    Initially at the earth's surface all of the earth's mass is below you, so the only gravitational field that exists is pulling you down.

    As you go below the earth's surface some of the earth's mass is now "above" your head. So now there is a gravitational mass "below" you pulling you down, and a mass above your head pulling you up.
    The net effect is that as you travel towards the earth's centre gravity should steadily reduce to zero.
    At the earth's centre you have half the earth below you and half above you. They both exert an equal but office force on you, which cancel each other out.

    That's my thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _STAIN_ View Post
    none of the above, the mass will not change
    This is not a mass debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalor View Post
    You have to get VERY far away from the earth for a noticable change in earths gravity (think GPS satellites running in fast time due to reduced gravity).

    No mountain, for 'all intended purposes' is going to EVER be large enough. Unless you have an EXTREMELY precise scale... fucken nanokilo shit there motherfucker!
    Er, in fact no, we learnt to use the equipment by taking measurements on every floor of the Physics building in Newcastle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterD View Post
    Er, in fact no, we learnt to use the equipment by taking measurements on every floor of the Physics building in Newcastle.
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    Its a perfect set of scales...reads constant irrespective of temp or alt or atmospheric pressure.

    Its not a complicated question...its relatively simple and logical.

    To dispell drink or evaporation...the 10 kg mass of water could be 10 kg of gold or pebbles from birdlings flat or used traffic infringment notice books from the Police archives....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dave View Post
    The Shearer Scale. Belta.
    Would've been the Keegan scale in them days BD...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LBD View Post
    Its a perfect set of scales...reads constant irrespective of temp or alt or atmospheric pressure.

    Its not a complicated question...its relatively simple and logical.

    To dispell drink or evaporation...the 10 kg mass of water could be 10 kg of gold or pebbles from birdlings flat or used traffic infringment notice books from the Police archives....
    ahh, in that case, we must take into account the density of the mass and its bouyancy at different air pressures/ different altitudes, it may even weigh the most on the mountain because of this
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