Clarifying F3 rules for watercooled twins

[Benk]

Hi Guys, just had a look at the rules, and saw that 4.3 (b) doesnt allow twins over 640cc to be watercooled - 4.3 (b) or am I missing something major? http://www.mnz.co.nz/download/Append...mula_Three.pdf .

I know its under the 2 valve per cylinder paragraph, but why wouldnt these be allowed to be watercooled, and the models with over 2 vpc not? Am I being thick as shit, or does this not make sense to somebody else too?

Cheers

[FROSTY:Me]

what file was that dude??
I supect its a typo 650cc twins not 640

[Benk]

what file was that dude??
I supect its a typo 650cc twins not 640

From this page http://www.mnz.co.nz/competitionrules.aspx , here the current rules http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/down...egulations.pdf , heres the proposed rules http://www.mnz.co.nz/download/Append...mula_Three.pdf

Both say the same thing? Meebe SVs have to run with empty radiators

[svs]

4.3b is restricted to 2 valves per cylinder (e.g Ducati SS) which allows up to 750cc, with the restriction that over 640cc must not be water cooled.
(this specifically excluded things like a 748 which is a multi valve, watercooled twin under 750cc)

4.3c deal with SV650 and the like. i.e more than 3 valves per cylinder. Limited to 650cc with additional restrictions as detailed.
Don't see how that's so hard?

[Benk]

Don't see how that's so hard?

Yeah, I got that, just seems strange to me that a 650 2 valve watercooled bike isnt allowed, and a 650 4 valve watercooled bike is?

Probably just a moot point, but I just wondered why nothing about the cooling type was mentioned for 3 or more vpc.

[SPman]

Someone hasn't thought it through......?

[GSVR]

Yeah, I got that, just seems strange to me that a 650 2 valve watercooled bike isnt allowed, and a 650 4 valve watercooled bike is?

Probably just a moot point, but I just wondered why nothing about the cooling type was mentioned for 3 or more vpc.

Is that the only strange thing in the F3 rules you can find. The whole thing is filled with contradictions and gray areas.

Half the battle in being competitive in F3 is finding the loopholes and rules that allow one to build a bike with an advantage over other competitors. Also making sure that those in the position of passing judgement on what is and isn't legal agree with you.

Then all you need is the right monkey to pilot it and your onto a winner.

I love the Ozzy 450 concept but that bike still needs a good rider to be at the pointy end!

[Ozzy27]

I love the Ozzy 450 concept but that bike still needs a good rider to be at the pointy end![/QUOTE]

Wow Gary,
I would never have thought that a bike needed a good rider to run at the front. Thanks for pointing that out!

[gav]

Yeah, I'd like to see the bike that doesn't require a good rider to run at the front.

[Pumba]

Yeah, I'd like to see the bike that doesn't require a good rider to run at the front.

I would pay very good money for that bike

[Kevin G]

Is that the only strange thing in the F3 rules you can find. The whole thing is filled with contradictions and gray areas.

Half the battle in being competitive in F3 is finding the loopholes and rules that allow one to build a bike with an advantage over other competitors. Also making sure that those in the position of passing judgement on what is and isn't legal agree with you.

Then all you need is the right monkey to pilot it and your onto a winner.

I love the Ozzy 450 concept but that bike still needs a good rider to be at the pointy end!

Hi.
Instead of sitting at your keyboard and picking holes in the rules do something constructive and rewrite them and then put them forward for discussion.
Be part of the solution rather than throwing stones from the sidelines, its far more rewarding.

Kevin Goddard

[CookMySock]

Instead of sitting at your keyboard and picking holes in the rules do something constructive and rewrite them and then put them forward for discussion.
Be part of the solution rather than throwing stones from the sidelines, its far more rewarding.

No one respects that process, because usually submissions from mere mortals get flushed straight straight down the toilet. People don't speak up when they believe they will be ignored.

If your organisation wants respect, it should hand the rules over to its members with some formal process, and leave them to write their own rules. Why not begin that process with a publicly editable document in a wiki somewhere, and when its nice and concrete then transition the document into place as the revised set of rules. Such a thing will cost you nothing and gain respect, and propel your organisation forward.

Steve

[CookMySock]

Half the battle in being competitive in F3 is finding the loopholes and rules that allow one to build a bike with an advantage over other competitors. Also making sure that those in the position of passing judgement on what is and isn't legal agree with you.

Well is that a valid part of racing or not? It seems that a large part of the entertainment value comes from that, and it also pushes people to think innovatively.

Steve

[GSVR]

Hi.
Instead of sitting at your keyboard and picking holes in the rules do something constructive and rewrite them and then put them forward for discussion.
Be part of the solution rather than throwing stones from the sidelines, its far more rewarding.

Kevin Goddard

All been done before sorry! This is and old Kiwibiker pastime and I have emailed MNZ on occasion with very little satisfaction.

Infact I could bring up the most contentious issue of last season in this class as MNZ has made very little in the way of a statement or clarifation and modified the rule only slightly.

I wont bother asking for clarification on here like other posts are doing (and I have done in the past). Email MNZ for rule clarifications.

[GSVR]

Well is that a valid part of racing or not? It seems that a large part of the entertainment value comes from that, and it also pushes people to think innovatively.

Steve

Its part of the challenge. The more competitive and professional the racing becomes the more significant a part it plays.