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    Salute

    I stood up from my desk at 11:45am and announced to a room full of people with their bored heads in their boring work that I was heading out into the brilliant sunshine to wave goodbye to an old warrior and watch a Mk IX Spitfire fly over the city in tribute to both Sqn Ldr John Pattison, who died yesterday, and "our" Spitfire squadron of WWII, 485 Sqn.

    A couple of heads went up at the mention of the word "Spitfire", however the pall of apathy and disbelief took me aback.

    I remember when the WWI vets started hitting that decade in age between 80 and 90, where the misadventures of a life well lived tend to catch up with otherwise healthy men. Discussing war with men of this generation was strictly forbidden. Talking about first wives killed by an influenza epidemic that resonates so strongly through history that the world's medical professionals jump at any hint of an influenza mutation, prepared to treat 100s of millions and bury 10s of millions is also not just forbidden it was usually silenced with a good clip around the ear.

    The WWII vets have hit the same wall, a wall that for all its wispy substance exists for everyone. We look back at them and wonder at the things these men were forced to do and some women chose to do and think of those people as somehow bigger than us, more special, their shadow diminishing all who stand in it, but I can tell you that not one of those men I have been privileged to speak with would go through that again, would chose to throw themselves into that particular crucible so willingly.

    They were changed and few would say it was for the better. My Grandfather was a Commando, a little man, not 5'5" in height, but tough as old boots, and he was happiest in NZ, living in Tauranga, wrestling with the local council about the things that get OAPs excited, and trying to force an equitable arrangement from the NZ Government in regard to making them pay the UK 's Military pension directly to those who were due it rather than simply keeping it to offset the cost of relocating so many of the UK's servicemen to NZ nearly 50 years ago. They paid tax in NZ until they retired, and the service pensions were earned putting their lives on the line, not working for the Gas company in NZ.

    My wife's favourite Great Uncle died recently. He was someone I could call a mate. He was a laugh, and he was what we called a "Conchy" in WWII, a conscientious objector who worked as a Medic at a prison camp for Japanese PoWs at a place called Featherston, not far from Wellington where I live now. He was there when the Japanese prisoners rioted after a guard panicked and shot and killed a PoW. He ran into the ensuing gunfire and pulled Japanese PoWs out of the line of fire and treated them while under fire from his own colleagues. It took me 12 years to get that paragraph out of him.

    So I watched this Spitfire Mk IX, this indescribably beautiful war machine inscribe its graceful imprint on my skies, more than 60 years after it ceased to operate in its prime role. I thought about 485 Sqn trying to deliver ordinance on V-Weapon sites prior to D-Day and how horribly inappropriate it is think so one dimensionally about these people who were doing what they were taught was right, without question, principle before personal safety. 485 Sqn participated in operations in Northern Europe like D-Day, Operation Market Garden, and lost 11 Spitfires on the ground during Bodenplatte whilst stationed in Belgium.

    John Pattison took a 20mm cannon shell in the thigh from a 109 after three weeks of operating out of Biggin Hill during the Battle of Britain. By war's end he was back in the thick of the action after a period as an instructor. It's easy for us to look at his air to air tally of 2 and think, "He wasn't even an ace".

    I like to imagine that like my Grandfather and my Wife's Great Uncle he was probably more comfortable being regarded as a human being, or perhaps a farmer, than a warrior.

    Gen Y may not care, and the children of those volunteers and conscripts, who had to deal with these damaged citizen warriors as they healed their mental wounds, sometimes over decades, may have tired of them, but I forgive them their strangeness, I'm privileged that some of them felt comfortable telling me about losing their hair overnight, or soiling themselves while someone tried to shoot their aircraft down, or having to take being spat at by "friends" for defending unarmed prisoners. But they taught me that I don't have to stand in their shadow because they fought for me to have an ordinary life, with plenty of food, a long life filled with love and happiness, and the chance to enjoy the small things without sometimes having to deal with the uninvited guest of imminent death at the hand of your fellow man.

    Most of all, I miss them.
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    Nice.

    And bugger, I missed the old girl.

    I also miss my uncle,who was a tail end gunner in a Lancaster. Eight times. I believe the life expectancy was about two missions.
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    Well said, Jim.
    Pussy snr was too young for service in WWII, but had NO hesitation volunteering and spending 20 months of his young life in Korea.
    Up until recently, he told me almost nothing about it. He was "just a retired farmer". It was with great pride for me to see the NZ flag on his coffin, and the RSA pay tribute to him at his funeral.
    We all owe that generation of fine young men more than we'll ever know.

    BTW... if the Spitfire was the Ohakea based one, it is a Mk IX
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pussy View Post

    BTW... if the Spitfire was the Ohakea based one, it is a Mk IX
    Not sure. Got no details whatsoever anywhere. It did have the "pointy" empennage characteristic of XVIs, but some of the c wing IXs had it too.

    It flew off to the West and then banked South, not to be seen again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    Most of all, I miss them.
    Lest we forget.

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    It is an awesome sight and no mistake. We are so lucky to be living in a time when we do not have to rely on these steel tankers to defend us from impending invasion etc etc.

    I'm not banging on about the 'good old days' or anything, just saying that I am grateful for their sacrifice. The aircrews were wedged into these things, no possible escape route within easy reach and dodging the ever present threat of someone in the same situation trying to blow the shit out of you.

    This is not to take anything away from modern day warfare and the brave souls who are engaged in it, but the difference is like carrying out surgery with a blunt table knife or a modern day lazer scapel.

    More importantly, good on you JD for having the decency within you to respect and honour Sqdn Ldr Pattison. I fear that this is a dying attutude among modern day people who would prefer to give 'big ups' to anyone who got past a decent level in a PC game.

    It is stuff like this that gives me a lump in the throat, just like the dawn parade or even having a chin wag with some of the older guys in our local RSA. I spent my teens and twenties playing in bands, getting pissed and doing the 'rock n roll' thing. They had far less pleasurable experiences yet they never resent me for it, just shows you really how these guys are.

    Thanks JD for a great post

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    Next time stand up and announce that your are off to a strip bar for a beer, does anyone what to come along. Probably get more interest.

    I'm pretty sure the average Joe does not give a hoot about the sound of an engine roaring.

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    If the sound of a Merlin doesn't make the hairs stand up on the back of your neck...well you're clinically dead for my money.
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    Wish you worked in my office J2.

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    Well said JD, a mate of mine worked for an ex battle of britten fighter piolet, a number of yrs ago, the old bugger showed me where he had a hill side slide out from under his bulldozer, he rode the dozer down the slide for about 40mtrs till it stopped, then tried to work his way out, then slid to the bottom of the gully, when the hill slipped again, he thought nothing of it, he was well into his late 70s then. It took my mate over a week to dig a track in with a digger to get the dozer out.

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    Good post James.
    At 56 I consider it a great privilege to have reached this age and not have to be called upon to go to war and I credit that privilege to my father's generation.
    I don't know about you, but at 18 I had a head full of hormones and was having a great time "preparing" myself for my future as I perceived it at the time ( and doing my best to confuse my brain with alien substances, liquid and otherwise).
    My father however, at 18, was getting the arse shot out from under him at the battle of the River Plate. To put that into perspective try to imagine losing 60 (yes 60) of your friends in one direct hit, coping with that and then having to put it aside to attend to your own, and your remaining friends, survival. Big ask for someone just out of school. And for that privilege he received a month's R and R and then spent the rest of the war (until being demobbed in '45) on the HMS Belfast (now a permanent memorial on the Thames River, London) dodging U-boats in the North Atlantic on the Russian convoys.
    I now know something of his experiences of WW2 and the humbling part of this has been that I had to glean most of this information from books, official sources and his friends and family as he would only refer to this time as "simply doing his duty". In effect he gave up his youth so that I could have mine (yes, I know I wasn't born at the time, but my Father had a strong sense of the future and what was needed to protect it).
    Agreed, much of his humility has to do with painful memories, but humility it still is.
    The only times I have been able to get him to open up is through two quite extraordinary experiences; firstly, because he hadn't for some reason received his Russian convoy medals he was tracked down here in Taupo by the Russian Embassy about ten years ago and formally presented with his medals and secondly, through a twist of fate through a book my Mother had taken out of the library for him and he was reluctantly reading (just to keep her happy...), he discovered in detail what had happened to his brother, who had been a bomber pilot and has only ever been listed as "missing", and even where in France he was buried. Thanks to Mr Google and the wonders of the internet were able to sit him down in front of the computer and not only get more details on the incident but also a picture of his brother's grave. Quite an event for him after 50 years.
    We have much to be grateful for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterD View Post
    If the sound of a Merlin doesn't make the hairs stand up on the back of your neck...well you're clinically dead for my money.
    Does it for me....Well said JD2, I had the pleasure to know and respect my grandfather a WW1 veterain who was one of six survivors of his company after 4 years of sheer hell. He never once complained or spoke of his experiences until we grandsons were old enough to REALLY understand.

    This world is a better place for the sacrafices made by those many brave souls...

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    Maurice Shadbolt, compiled a book called Voices of Gallipoli, first published in 1988, he interviewed WW1 vetrans, most Gallipoli survivours, worth reading as their story varies quiet a bit form the official Gallipoli story. the book is well worth reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    I stood up from my desk at 11:45am and announced to a room full of people with their bored heads in their boring work that I was heading out into the brilliant sunshine to wave goodbye to an old warrior and watch a Mk XVI Spitfire fly over the city in tribute to both Sqn Ldr John Pattison, who died yesterday, and "our" Spitfire squadron of WWII, 485 Sqn.
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