Video cameras not allowed at Hampton Downs

[vinducati]

How about if you don't like the Californian Superbike RideDay rules you don't attend those trackdays.

The track can be dry hired...
Cheers

[Mort]

No person or bike (apart from the scrutineering side of things) is excluded and i'm not sure how you've managed to come to that conclusion from the information provided.

The basis of this argument is that videos could be used as a timing device right ?

But, if I ride a bike with a lap timer fitted as standard, that is permitted under these rules and I will be allowed to ride.

But if I fit a lap timer, that is not permitted and will be excluded from the event ?

I could carry my iphone in my pocket equipped with GPS laptimer software or will scrutinerring include a strip search too ?

The point is that you cannot prevent lap timing by a number of different and covert means so why bother ? Of all the possible means of timing, video is probably the least effective anyway.

Here's another scenario. Some people bring their road bikes to track days to improve their skills in a safe environment and take out insurance to protect their bikes etc. Other people bring their race bikes to practice their racing skills. Racers are interested in lapping as fast as they possibly can. Pushing the absolute limits of the bike and themselves. And yet they are permitted to ride along side road riders who, for insurance purposes cannot equip their bikes with a small video camera as a means to record the event. Where is the greater hazard here ? The racer hell bent on going as fast as humanly possible or the bloke with a camera on his bike ? I'm not saying racers are dangerous (I am not) but his "risk profile" is substantially higher than the bloke out for a ride on a track with a video camera. The entire scenario of banning video cameras in this context seems ludicrous to me. Trackdays have risks and video cameras do not significantly add to that risk.

OK its not the end of the world, and it wont prevent me from riding, but it is, without doubt, a bloody stupid rule.

[Devil]

Here's another scenario. Some people bring their road bikes to track days to improve their skills in a safe environment and take out insurance to protect their bikes etc. Other people bring their race bikes to practice their racing skills. Racers are interested in lapping as fast as they possibly can. Pushing the absolute limits of the bike and themselves. And yet they are permitted to ride along side road riders...

They're permitted to ride along side road riders as long as they're obeying the rules, in particular safe passing.

The end game is that it is a ride day, not a race training day. Centered around enjoying yourself and your bike and others doing the same in a controlled environment.

These are the rules and we all have to live with it, myself included.

[Mort]

The end game is that it is a ride day, not a race training day. Centered around enjoying yourself and your bike and others doing the same in a controlled environment.

So riders with videos are "race training" and those without are having a ride day.... OK.... that makes sense.

[johan]

Not me, but I have no reason to doubt they have exclusive commercial rights, Devil's confirmed it and kiwitrackdays have also.
The camera rule is a Hampton Downs Ride Days (and California Superbike School) rule, not a rule of the track, afaik.

As a side note, I went to the last track tour yesterday. It's looking good.

That's odd, I thought CSS used cameras as a tool to film you, to point out areas where you can improve?

[vinducati]

I think they do that as part of the SUPERBIKE SCHOOL DAY, not RIDE DAYS

[Devil]

So riders with videos are "race training" and those without are having a ride day.... OK.... that makes sense.

Not half out of context...

[Morcs]

You could argue that video cameras on a coro could be used for timing laps of the loop too...

[johan]

Anyway... The camera rule is fine with me... As long as they don't stop us from riding the wheels off the thing (in a controlled environment of course)!

[Tony.OK]

Been a while since I've done a trackday, so are most companies not allowing the use of a timer even if its on a racebike?
I've used mine at the Redline days, but haven't been to a MottoTT day for a while.
Is it more the insurance company rather than the Track day organisers?
Can't see the problem as long as the track rules are followed, passing etc.

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

If you want to check lap times use your mate (pit crew) to time you. On your own? use the little transponder timers, place the reciever disccreetly on the side of the circuit ( they pick up a fair distance away) and carry the transmitter easy as.

I suspect CSS may be wanting to sell you images/video of the day shot by their guy and dont want the free version self shot by the indervidual. The racing timing thing is prob just their justification for banning them

[johan]

Been a while since I've done a trackday, so are most companies not allowing the use of a timer even if its on a racebike?
I've used mine at the Redline days, but haven't been to a MottoTT day for a while.
Is it more the insurance company rather than the Track day organisers?
Can't see the problem as long as the track rules are followed, passing etc.

They could have a fast/race group where timing is allowed that no insurance company would have to be involved with?

And then the normal groups of slow/medium no timing, insured etc...

That way riders could choose/have options no?

[Devil]

I suspect CSS may be wanting to sell you images/video of the day shot by their guy and dont want the free version self shot by the indervidual.

Video and still camera's are not banned from the side of the track.

This is for Hampton Downs Ride Days.

[325rocket]

as long as they let a rider and a bike on ill be happy.
i cant wait for this track to open.

[aquahort]

My son and I record my rides on my Suzuki Hayabusa at track days with up to 3 cameras which others find technically very interesting. Check out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH1UEFb5k9c

We will be pissed off, not being able to do that, so far two insurance companies have not banned cameras, and why would they,it could be used against you if they wanted to in event of misconduct.