Scooter riders: are they all this retarded?

**motorbyclist** · 23rd September 2009, 15:50

ffs must we do this again?

Originally Posted by ital916

Remember though motorcyclists crash as well as scooter riders. A lot of motorcycle accidents occur at higher speeds and incur high health costs. What is more expensive, a bit of skin coming off at low speed or a shattered elbow requiring how many surgeries, xrays and physio appointments (sorry jafa).

yet people at 50kph are still perfectly capable of the same or worse injuries

let's not forget that had jafa not been wearing gear he could have possibly lost his arm - not that that has anything to do with wearing half or all of a helmet.

and your argument there is useless for the many of use who commute through 50kph zones like a scooter might

Originally Posted by ital916

Let us not focus on the gear but the riding...the riding is whats important. If you are a safe, competent and aware rider, you could make it from here to wellington without a helmet or any gear problem free.

WTF!? are you retarded? a motorcyclist can never assume a safe journey: cagers are just too fucking useless, and the road condition can be less than ideal

THEN there's the stones, bugs, weather and windburn you get subjected to.

Originally Posted by ital916

People place too much emphasis on the little bit of material missing from the helmet....its a cop out, lets blame the scary open face helmet etc, not the main cause which is the way we RIDE!

again my above point - to wear half a helmet is to wear it to meet the legal requirement and/or meet some percieved fashion look, NOT to protect one's body in the event of an accident. riding ablility IS a very important factor, as is an ability to read traffic and avoid accidents from occuring in the first place, but ultimately all it takes it one idioit behind the wheel and you can be stuck in a wheelchair for life (or worse)

Most scooterists and many motorcyclists are truly ignorant of the true risk of the road (this can even include the ATGATT crew) until they see the aftermath themselves, be it their mate or themselves.

the fact is 50kph is the same speed no matter where your engine/fuel tank is situated - the only difference is a motorcycle is often more visible and almost always more capable of scrubbing off speed

**Danae** · 23rd September 2009, 15:54

Originally Posted by motorbyclist

Most scooterist and many motorcyclists are truly ignorant of the true risk of the road (this can even include the ATGATT crew) until they see the aftermath themselves, be it their mate or themselves.

Seeing a stranger's bike fine one minute then seeing it again wrecked and on the back of a truck the next was more than enough for me...seeing the aftermath of someone i know would be unimaginably worse.

**mattian** · 23rd September 2009, 16:22

Originally Posted by ital916

Oh noes! He is wearing an open face helmet.....he is going to die in 10....9.....8.....7.....6.....5....4....3....2.... 1........ooops guess not!

They wanna ride with open face helmets,t shirts, shorts and sandals...let them.

Its not recommended but its still their choice. It just means more videos get posted on nothingtoxic with destroyed scooter riders...

I'm not for one minute denying their right to be retarded.... I agree with you, thats their decision.

**Slyer** · 23rd September 2009, 16:39

Reminds me of my road trip to nelson. On the way back, get on the motorway in Auckland and see one of those purple Orcon cars, so we start talking about internet and ISP's etc.
Later on, after we've stopped for lunch and gas we continue on north and pass a tow truck with the exact same Orcon car on the back. I know because I remember the number plate.

**motorbyclist** · 23rd September 2009, 16:40

Originally Posted by mattian

I'm not for one minute denying their right to be retarded.... I agree with you, thats their decision.

well that's good for you

I'm sick of paying almost a dollar a day in rego on my road motorcycles because scooters, dirtbikes and farm quads don't have to pay their share of the acc levy

hopefully the cager population doesn't realise how much we're undercharged as it is....

**ital916** · 23rd September 2009, 16:46

Originally Posted by motorbyclist

WTF!? are you retarded? a motorcyclist can never assume a safe journey: cagers are just too fucking useless, and the road condition can be less than ideal

I said COULD not WOULD, and I never stated that we could ASSUME anything, I said you COULD make it wellington problem free.....

When full face helmets were first introduced they were considered dangerous...times change...now full face helmets are of excellent quality, so are a few open faces. I dont want to get into another open face discussion it tires me, we have agreed to disagree, lets leave it there.

**ital916** · 23rd September 2009, 16:50

Originally Posted by motorbyclist

Most scooterists and many motorcyclists are truly ignorant of the true risk of the road (this can even include the ATGATT crew) until they see the aftermath themselves, be it their mate or themselves.

Haha, the irony is it doesnt stop many from riding like arseholes even after they see it.

The saddest fact is the club has seen their fair share of serious accidents now and plenty of minor ones, a fact not likely to change.

**Squiggles** · 23rd September 2009, 16:56

Originally Posted by ital916

The saddest fact is the club has seen their fair share of serious accidents now and plenty of minor ones, a fact not likely to change.

emotive statement... a predicament you accept?

**Real_Wolf** · 23rd September 2009, 17:28

Originally Posted by ital916

I said COULD not WOULD, and I never stated that we could ASSUME anything, I said you COULD make it wellington problem free.....

When full face helmets were first introduced they were considered dangerous...times change...now full face helmets are of excellent quality, so are a few open faces. I dont want to get into another open face discussion it tires me, we have agreed to disagree, lets leave it there.

Hmm, crash statistics speak for themselves. Note where the largest proportion of impacts occur upon the helmet

**Ragingrob** · 23rd September 2009, 17:35

Originally Posted by ital916

Haha, the irony is it doesnt stop many from riding like arseholes even after they see it.

The saddest fact is the club has seen their fair share of serious accidents now and plenty of minor ones, a fact not likely to change.

Here ya go...

So after seen the results of an open-faced helmet crash, are you gonna stop advocating open-face helmets now?

**Squiggles** · 23rd September 2009, 17:37

Originally Posted by Ragingrob

Here ya go...

So after seen the results of an open-faced helmet crash, are you gonna stop advocating open-face helmets now?

There are quite a few images out there where visors have shattered and done some mint damage too.

Correct me if i've missed it, but Dushy doesnt seem to be advocating open faced helmets in place of a full face.

**Danae** · 23rd September 2009, 17:39

Argh! Rob! Censor! Owie owie owie

**Ragingrob** · 23rd September 2009, 17:41

Originally Posted by Squiggles

There are quite a few images out there where visors have shattered and done some mint damage too

I'd back my 9.9% chance of hitting my visor (not to mention whatever chance it shatters) over the 34.6% chance of contacting my chin with 100% chance of ouchy.

**Squiggles** · 23rd September 2009, 17:45

Originally Posted by Ragingrob

I'd back my 9.9% chance of hitting my visor (not to mention whatever chance it shatters) over the 34.6% chance of contacting my chin with 100% chance of ouchy.

Contact =/= Injury. Just as a crash with a cheesecutter =/= a headon collision avoided.