Three years for road rage killing.

[tomobedlam]

Do nz judges have there fingers up there ass or is there some other reason people always get off so light.

There is defiantly a reasons why people get off so light. You most probably won't like it.

The Judge constantly has to juggle the issue of popular option of the public and what works from a corrections put of view.

Considering the time between his last conviction and the circumstances of this offense he would be considered low risk. Remembering that it was the victim falling back and hitting his head that cause the fatal injury. Of course the offender is responsible for that, but the Judge would have taken the fact that, that part was unintentional into consideration when sentencing.

When these cases come up the argument the sentence needs to be a deterrent to others is put forward. Unfortunately harsh sentences do not work as a deterrent to others

Nor do people learn from spending more time in prison. Going to prison actual increases peoples likelihood of re-offending.

Judges are well aware of this when they are sentencing and take it into consideration. It's a bloody hard job they can't lock them up forever and they know the longer they spend in prison the more likely they are to re-offend when they are released.

It certainly doesn't seem like justice for the victim and his family

I myself am a strong advocate for early intervention. So we can avoid getting to this point in the first place

[MisterD]

There's a difference between "beating someone to death" and punching someone so that they fall over and smash their head on the kerb and that kills them isn't there?

I still think the sentence is too light, but a lot of the language used in the press doesn't seem to match the actual events...

[mynameis]

They can always have a "referendum" and force the authorities to ignore them!

This country sucks, I thought this National lead government had a priority on fixing crime and punishment deficiencies!

This guy was complimented, not punished!

Referendum? On what? Is there any appeal process in this case within our justice system? Can the family appeal the decision and take it to a higher court? Criminal case.

There's a difference between "beating someone to death" and punching someone so that they fall over and smash their head on the kerb and that kills them isn't there?

I still think the sentence is too light, but a lot of the language used in the press doesn't seem to match the actual events...

There is a difference but the outcome is still the same. The old man died. They distinguish it with intent and motivation. His motivation wasn't to kill. (So they would have said when he pleaded guilty).

However as a grown up sane adult you need to take responsibility of your actions and the consequences that come with such unnecessary violent acts, something the sentence doesn't teach the offender at all.

The coconut is going to have a good time in prison for a year at our taxpayer's expense then come back out into the community where he will probably be a nuisance for the next 20 years, again at the society and taxpayer's expense.

[Crasherfromwayback]

[QUOTE=p.dath;1129431815 So the 28 year old probably has an anger problem.
[/QUOTE]

You don't say.

[The Pastor]

cAPTAIN OBVIOUS STRIKES AGAIn!

Driving in Auckland could be frustrating but O'Brien's actions were "totally disproportionate" to the incident, she said

[marty]

If the 3-strikes legislation was in force, the judge would have HAD to take notice, and the bad guy would be on a long stretch right now.

As an aside, this judge has had sentences reduced on appeal after giving people sentences that were 'too long', so maybe she was nervous about this one - but imho she got it wrong.

[firefighter]

I vote in 2 years when he is released we wait for him and beat him to death.

You know, accidentally hit his head with a wrench.......

That's fair innit'?

[Genestho]

Not meaning to take this off topic, but regarding this system...


This is what NZ is up against in trying to make changes to a system for betterment, last weekend we had Judith Collins come in and address some of the families of NZ's violent crime cases over 20 a year span...about how they are willing to make changes, and discussed the issues.

Boy I recon she's gotta backbone that lady.

I will suggest this is why the public have an unfair perception of those battling to change the system based on their experiences...

http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/sensi...9#comment-5952

Oh, and it wasn't a Rally (which smacks of an angry mob - NOT how it was at all!), as Kim has suggested.

It was a conference (and amongst other things) Speakers, Agenda, a schedule - to work out how to make the justice system more efficient, quicker, and victim friendly addressing advocacy.

Intelligent people having objective conversations - looking at the problems, and suggesting the solutions - based on inconsistancies across a myriad of issues experienced.

We also had victim support in and discussed how to work together, and efficently to support 'victims' (really hate that word) and have information available.

Kim Workman - to my knowledge has never attended these conferences to see what they're about, and furthermore rejected an invite to last years conference. Quite strange for a bloke who professes to know what victims need, and often speaks on their behalf, usually negatively.

Not quite sure of this guys agenda - but it appears that he spends his time writing articles - knocking victims, who are using sheer courage and experience to change things for NZ.

Knocking the huge team walking beside, work tirelessly for free - The Mcvicars invested part of their farm into SST and are unpaid for their time!
Achieving small victories for justice.

[ManDownUnder]

testicular removal... stat!

[Crasherfromwayback]

testicular removal... stat!

He can't have any already mate. No semi well built 28 year old that bashes an old man has balls.

[mynameis]

If the 3-strikes legislation was in force, the judge would have HAD to take notice, and the bad guy would be on a long stretch right now.

As an aside, this judge has had sentences reduced on appeal after giving people sentences that were 'too long', so maybe she was nervous about this one - but imho she got it wrong.

Yeap, he did 150 hours community service in 2001 for threatening to kill and assaulting a female.

I vote in 2 years when he is released we wait for him and beat him to death.

You know, accidentally hit his head with a wrench.......

That's fair innit'?

He will be eligible for parole after serving on third of his sentence and could be out as early as next year.

It's almost a little break and a holiday for him.

[mynameis]

So if Clayton would have followed Sophie while she drove and got in a road rage with her and killed her he would not got 18 years aye.

Could have been out in a year 17 years less

[firefighter]

He will be eligible for parole after serving on third of his sentence and could be out as early as next year.

It's almost a little break and a holiday for him.

Then that's when we get him.....as he walks out the gate.

[Swoop]

He can't have any already mate. No semi well built 28 year old that bashes an old man has balls.

Also, drives (drove) a piece of crap, wankermobile bmw...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Also, drives (drove) a piece of crap, wankermobile bmw...

Doubt it...driving a Beemer means you've got a really big willy. I know this...cause I used to have a long wheelbase 7 series!

The Jag I've got now means I also know how to use it!