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    And I thought our media was bad...

    Check out this crap you have to read through to get to any sort of point......

    (if you don't want to read it all just read the last two paragraphs, then you will know what i'm getting at)

    I swear it must have been written by Grisham not an actual journalist;

    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...?currentPage=1

    The fire moved quickly through the house, a one-story wood-frame structure in a working-class neighborhood of Corsicana, in northeast Texas. Flames spread along the walls, bursting through doorways, blistering paint and tiles and furniture. Smoke pressed against the ceiling, then banked downward, seeping into each room and through crevices in the windows, staining the morning sky.

    Buffie Barbee, who was eleven years old and lived two houses down, was playing in her back yard when she smelled the smoke. She ran inside and told her mother, Diane, and they hurried up the street; that’s when they saw the smoldering house and Cameron Todd Willingham standing on the front porch, wearing only a pair of jeans, his chest blackened with soot, his hair and eyelids singed. He was screaming, “My babies are burning up!” His children—Karmon and Kameron, who were one-year-old twin girls, and two-year-old Amber—were trapped inside.

    Willingham told the Barbees to call the Fire Department, and while Diane raced down the street to get help he found a stick and broke the children’s bedroom window. Fire lashed through the hole. He broke another window; flames burst through it, too, and he retreated into the yard, kneeling in front of the house. A neighbor later told police that Willingham intermittently cried, “My babies!” then fell silent, as if he had “blocked the fire out of his mind.”

    Diane Barbee, returning to the scene, could feel intense heat radiating off the house. Moments later, the five windows of the children’s room exploded and flames “blew out,” as Barbee put it. Within minutes, the first firemen had arrived, and Willingham approached them, shouting that his children were in their bedroom, where the flames were thickest. A fireman sent word over his radio for rescue teams to “step on it.”

    More men showed up, uncoiling hoses and aiming water at the blaze. One fireman, who had an air tank strapped to his back and a mask covering his face, slipped through a window but was hit by water from a hose and had to retreat. He then charged through the front door, into a swirl of smoke and fire. Heading down the main corridor, he reached the kitchen, where he saw a refrigerator blocking the back door.

    Todd Willingham, looking on, appeared to grow more hysterical, and a police chaplain named George Monaghan led him to the back of a fire truck and tried to calm him down. Willingham explained that his wife, Stacy, had gone out earlier that morning, and that he had been jolted from sleep by Amber screaming, “Daddy! Daddy!”

    “My little girl was trying to wake me up and tell me about the fire,” he said, adding, “I couldn’t get my babies out.”

    While he was talking, a fireman emerged from the house, cradling Amber. As she was given C.P.R., Willingham, who was twenty-three years old and powerfully built, ran to see her, then suddenly headed toward the babies’ room. Monaghan and another man restrained him. “We had to wrestle with him and then handcuff him, for his and our protection,” Monaghan later told police. “I received a black eye.” One of the first firemen at the scene told investigators that, at an earlier point, he had also held Willingham back. “Based on what I saw on how the fire was burning, it would have been crazy for anyone to try and go into the house,” he said.

    Willingham was taken to a hospital, where he was told that Amber—who had actually been found in the master bedroom—had died of smoke inhalation. Kameron and Karmon had been lying on the floor of the children’s bedroom, their bodies severely burned. According to the medical examiner, they, too, died from smoke inhalation.

    News of the tragedy, which took place on December 23, 1991, spread through Corsicana. A small city fifty-five miles northeast of Waco, it had once been the center of Texas’s first oil boom, but many of the wells had since dried up, and more than a quarter of the city’s twenty thousand inhabitants had fallen into poverty. Several stores along the main street were shuttered, giving the place the feel of an abandoned outpost.

    Willingham and his wife, who was twenty-two years old, had virtually no money. Stacy worked in her brother’s bar, called Some Other Place, and Willingham, an unemployed auto mechanic, had been caring for the kids. The community took up a collection to help the Willinghams pay for funeral arrangements.

    Fire investigators, meanwhile, tried to determine the cause of the blaze. (Willingham gave authorities permission to search the house: “I know we might not ever know all the answers, but I’d just like to know why my babies were taken from me.”) Douglas Fogg, who was then the assistant fire chief in Corsicana, conducted the initial inspection. He was tall, with a crew cut, and his voice was raspy from years of inhaling smoke from fires and cigarettes. He had grown up in Corsicana and, after graduating from high school, in 1963, he had joined the Navy, serving as a medic in Vietnam, where he was wounded on four occasions. He was awarded a Purple Heart each time. After he returned from Vietnam, he became a firefighter, and by the time of the Willingham blaze he had been battling fire—or what he calls “the beast”—for more than twenty years, and had become a certified arson investigator. “You learn that fire talks to you,” he told me.

    He was soon joined on the case by one of the state’s leading arson sleuths, a deputy fire marshal named Manuel Vasquez, who has since died. Short, with a paunch, Vasquez had investigated more than twelve hundred fires. Arson investigators have always been considered a special breed of detective. In the 1991 movie “Backdraft,” a heroic arson investigator says of fire, “It breathes, it eats, and it hates. The only way to beat it is to think like it. To know that this flame will spread this way across the door and up across the ceiling.” Vasquez, who had previously worked in Army intelligence, had several maxims of his own. One was “Fire does not destroy evidence—it creates it.” Another was “The fire tells the story. I am just the interpreter.” He cultivated a Sherlock Holmes-like aura of invincibility. Once, he was asked under oath whether he had ever been mistaken in a case. “If I have, sir, I don’t know,” he responded. “It’s never been pointed out.”
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    I think that article is actually meant to be an essay, not a news item.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmoot View Post
    I think that article is actually meant to be an essay, not a news item.
    You may be right. I still find it painful.

    The first half is bearable, but you gotta admit, the last two paragraphs are really over the top.......more a fiction novel than an essay on a real life event......
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    The term would probably be "dramatized reality" (complete with the yankee spelling, see? )
    Or, in short, "drama"
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    It's the New Yorker, whaddya expect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by firefighter View Post
    You may be right. I still find it painful.

    The first half is bearable, but you gotta admit, the last two paragraphs are really over the top.......more a fiction novel than an essay on a real life event......
    You're right. Mills and Boon?

    Poor dad.

    But..... why was the fridge over the back door, making escape difficult, perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick View Post
    You're right. Mills and Boon?

    Poor dad.

    But..... why was the fridge over the back door, making escape difficult, perhaps?


    I'd have thought more Lee Child than Mills and Boon! lol

    Yeah it's a tad suspicious......harldy solid enough evidence for the needle i'd have thought.

    Three seperate accelerants found.

    It's a tough call, but I don't think death row is appropriate in these cases, where there is always a smidgeon of doubt.

    That's where my rule for the death penalty should be adopted (maybe when i'm dictator and I bring it in here!);

    You may only be sentenced to death if there are witnesses, video evidence, conclusive DNA or a confession.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firefighter View Post
    ....yeah it's a tad suspicious......harldy solid enough evidence for the needle i'd have thought.

    Three seperate accelerants found.

    It's a tough call, but I don't think death row is appropriate in these cases, where there is always a smidgeon of doubt.

    That's where my rule for the death penalty should be adopted (maybe when i'm dictator and I bring it in here!);

    You may only be sentenced to death if there are witnesses, video evidence, conclusive DNA or a confession.
    I live in hope then (re the last bit....).

    If not, he has to live with it for the rest of his life anyhow.... the confession might come after time....

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    I read all 17 pages... an innocent man put to death though massive failings of the Texas 'justice' system. Hence the 'story-telling' style of writing.

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    There's no such thing as conclusive DNA evidence, merely a probablility that the DNA came from someone with a very similar genotype.

    Any other argument is hyperbole designed to sell testing kits to Police forces and Psuedo-science to Beyond 2000 (you old people will know what I mean) watchers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmoot View Post
    I think that article is actually meant to be an essay, not a news item.
    Essay....from the French "essayer" meaning to attempt......FAIL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    There's no such thing as conclusive DNA evidence, merely a probablility that the DNA came from someone with a very similar genotype.

    Any other argument is hyperbole designed to sell testing kits to Police forces and Psuedo-science to Beyond 2000 (you old people will know what I mean) watchers.
    Beyond 2000 was an awesome show. I remember it and i'm a young'un ('ish')

    Ok, we can remove the DNA from my list..... (I actually thought DNA was now very accurate, perhaps not?) Surely you can tell who it was that left semen in a body?
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    It's the first of 17 pages.
    Not your average news story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firefighter View Post
    Surely you can tell who it was that left semen in a body?
    No, it's a percentage chance that it came from an individual. The percentage chance might be 99.98%, but if you find a guy who is 99.998% likely to have been the offender the day after an execution, you've just "Capitally Punished" the wrong person.

    Double Jeopardy doesn't apply in NZ, so if you then find a guy who is 99.9998% likely to have been the offender the day after number 2 is offed, you're back to square 1, but with additional bodies.

    People have been convicted on a 60% likelihood and then had convictions overturned many years later. No only is that unfair, it means that DNA from a Chimp could be accepted as evidence.

    I think it is an excellent tool for limiting the likelihood of stitching the wrong person up, but it shouldn't be the only piece of evidence considered, or even a pivotal tool.
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    The story was about the "science" of reading the aftermath of fires and the tell tales of arson - many totally wrong.

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