Race Licence "exam"

[Bsym1]

Cheers for that

its under conduct of competitors,

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/down...mpetitions.pdf

its under 6-19

[FROSTY:Me]

MNZ should start testing before they issue the licence in conjunction with with the Clubs. This has to be done by MNZ... Clubs don't control the licences.

YEP dude thats where I'm coming from. At the point a licence is first issued MNZ have an oppertunity to do something really positive for our sport

[SWERVE]

I agree Skunk!
Clubs/organisations do have indemnities in place by signing the entry form and in a perfect world that should be all it takes. Basically its your responsibility to know the rules and be safe to yourself and others.............. but this is the'real world' where people dont use good old 'common sense' and a so many 'adults' still have to have their hands held and arses wiped constantly.
Its a sad fact but organising bodies have to have a direction indicator at every corner and 'BIG' reminder signs everywhere these days.
Just suggested a couple of ideas that although maybe a bit overkill have worked in other situations.
Not the 'magic cure' but reasonabely cheap and good 'arse covering' ideas.
Apoligies for ranting but this is one of my 'sore points'

[FROSTY:Me]

But we must not put all the blame on newbies for not knowing or adhering to the rules etc.

Mate In NO way am I blaming any group of riders. I just feel there is a great opertunity for MNZ to do something great that would improve rider safety. Actually I'd suggest perhaps that if this was run with that ALL MNZ licence holders should sit the compulsary test the first year then new licence holders from then on.

[Billy]

Mate In NO way am I blaming any group of riders. I just feel there is a great opertunity for MNZ to do something great that would improve rider safety. Actually I'd suggest perhaps that if this was run with that ALL MNZ licence holders should sit the compulsary test the first year then new licence holders from then on.

So tell MNZ then,No point talking to anybody else about it as all theyll do is pass the buck straight back at MNZ rather than take it upon themselves too take the initiative and show MNZ what good leadership is.Go figure!!!(outside of Motorcycling Canterbury)

[CookMySock]

I think you guys are over complicating it.

There are only about 10-15 things people really must must must know. Make a leaflet that explains these things, and then have a little multi-choice written 10 minute "test" for people to fill out and hand in.

Seriously, if people are going to give racing a miss because they don't want to learn about the most basic procedures, then you don't need or want them.

Steve

[Skunk]

I think you guys are over complicating it.

There are only about 10-15 things people really must must must know. Make a leaflet that explains these things, and then have a little multi-choice written 10 minute "test" for people to fill out and hand in.

Seriously, if people are going to give racing a miss because they don't want to learn about the most basic procedures, then you don't need or want them.

Steve

They don't give racing a miss.
We (as organisers) can't stop them racing because or a little 'test' we give them.
We run events under a permit issued by MNZ. By getting that Permit we have agreed to MNZ's rules.
We must change MNZ.

[ajturbo]

Interesting proposition ... means anyone can get a license without thinking about it or actually knowing anything ... and doesn't need to remember it at all ....

Why no time limit? I have sat a number of exams which are open book - and they have time limits ... is saying no time limit so that people have more time to find the answers that they should perhaps know as a racer?

it is still better than what we have now... pay ya money, you get a licence...

i'm all for it... but with a time limit...

[Shaun]

You are just thinking to much again frosty, go and detail some cars

[CookMySock]

We (as organisers) can't stop them racing because or a little 'test' we give them.

Then don't. Just give them the leaflet. Tell them to get up to speed on it. If they don't, then you have done your bit.

We must change MNZ.

You are biting off much more than necessary.

Make the leaflet. Give it to newbies. Tell to them read it and fill it out. When they give it back to you, flush it down the toilet.

Steve

[Str8 Jacket]

Then don't. Just give them the leaflet. Tell them to get up to speed on it. If they don't, then you have done your bit.

You are biting off much more than necessary.

Make the leaflet. Give it to newbies. Tell to them read it and fill it out. When they give it back to you, flush it down the toilet.

Steve

I am sorry but I think I need to re-iterate that 'Personal Responsibility' and 'Common Sense' are not well demonstrated these day's. Unfortunately some of us just take it for granted....

They (Vic CLub) have a website and they also publish the rules, people manage to enter OK so they know what's up. You have to sign an indemnity stating that you have read the rules etc. If people haven't then it's unfair to the club and every other racer.

While I am completely sober and happy, I do have to agree with Frosty regarding MNZ making the licence process a bit tougher.

[lukemillar]

Heres the way it works in the UK

This was brought in a couple of years back and seems to work ok

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Yep. Coming from the UK, I was really surprised that you could get a competition licence just by filling out the form. I was expecting a school day exactly as proposed. Though I don't think they do an exam in the uk - just a days training

[Nasty]

Then don't. Just give them the leaflet. Tell them to get up to speed on it. If they don't, then you have done your bit.

You are biting off much more than necessary.

Make the leaflet. Give it to newbies. Tell to them read it and fill it out. When they give it back to you, flush it down the toilet.

Steve

Before you race you sign a form saying you have read the rules. What is this extra leaflet meant to do. Give them a leaflet and not have them read the rules is what this indicates and that is actually really unsafe - there are more rules than flags and people need to get their heads around them to compete safely.

Its actually not the clubs responsbility - what they have is explainations in multiple places to reiterate the rules - including rider briefing. The change needs to be made at MNZ level - they are the ones who issue the permits - they are also the ones who had the liability insurance for these events. Clubs do all they can within their capabilities - but what you say is a big bite - well take a chunk and start chewing - if changes are warrented then the members of MNZ need to start agitating to get them made.

[FROSTY:Me]

Nasty--Think about this for a moment. There is a flaw in the system and SOMEBODY needs to get the ball rolling.
Otherwise it goes in the too hard basket for everyone

[Sidewinder]

its not !!!!!!!!!!