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    Decision time- which bike should go??

    In the not too distant future I'm going to have to make a decision about racing. I'm interested to hear people’s thoughts on what I should do.

    Background:
    My wife was made redundant some time ago, making me the main bread winner- we were about equal up till then. She now has a part time job but is bringing in about half of what she was. I used to fund my racing from my small parts business, but that revenue stream has dried up. SO. Bike racing is becoming too expensive, even at the modest level that I race at. My guilt levels are increasing. To top it off, we just forked out about $14k to fix the roof....

    I currently have a 99 FXR150 bucket racer, and a 99 Ducati Monster M750 F3/BEARS racer. The Ducati didn't cost as much to buy as you might think, but I have definitely poured a few $ into it. It still needs more $ spent on it, whereas the emergence of the MotoFXR series here in Canterbury means that a standard FXR is a handy bike to have.

    The FXR can race in Buckets...and that’s it. I definitely enjoy riding it, and lets face it, its the cheapest motor sport there is. It handles as well as the majority of buckets, and the only limitation is the rider (and the fact he doesn't want to modify the engine). However, I know from experience that I don't feel like I'm getting value for money just having the bucket at a race meeting- there’s no way I’d go to a street race with just a bucket. The second class citizen thing irks a bit as well.

    The Monster can do MNZ F3, and BEARS F2 & Super Stock Ltd, and it gives me a bike that I can race in two or three classes at any given South Island street race, as well as multiple classes at the BEARS Sound of Thunder. That’s why I bought it- one bike to maintain, loads of classes to race it in. The Monster has some issues though- as you’d expect because its intended use is as a slightly sporty cruiser. I’ve sorted the brakes, the ground clearance issues and the front forks (to a point). It has a woeful rear shock, and the clutch has slipped a bit in the past, and may be starting to do it again….have you SEEN the cost of a Ducati clutch kit??? It could do with some decent carbs. The tank is mostly bog and I had to have a liner put in it to stop it from leaking. Realistically it would be fine with just the shock and the clutch sorted. But that’s still quite a bit of money, which my roof now has…

    So the way I see it, I have three options:

    Option 1: Sell the Monster and just race the Bucket for a few years.
    Pros:
    • I would get more money for the Monster.
    • Racing would become very cheap.
    • I could develop the FXR a bit for very little money- hopefully become genuinely competitive


    Cons:
    • I would probably (OK definitely) not sell the bike for what I’ve put in, and it might take a while to sell
    • It would be hard to replace as the carbed 750’s are quite sought after now.
    • The $x,000 that I would get for the Monster would disappear in a puff of smoke, never to be seen or recovered. In short, that would be the end of BEARS/ SOT’s and Street meetings. It would be years before I could justify spending that kind of money on a bike again.


    Option 2: Sell the FXR and put the money into the Monster
    Pros:
    • I get more racing this way- still get to do BEARS/ SOT’s and Street meetings
    • I would then have one multi-class bike to prepare and race- would hopefully improve my riding more than just riding the bucket (more races)
    • The FXR is easily replaced if I want to get back into buckets


    Cons:
    • Racing wont be dirt cheap, as the Monster would use more consumables. Temptation is always there to up the ante and use tyre warmers/ wets etc…lets face it, you have to if you want to be competitive
    • The money from the FXR wont cover everything I need to do on the Monster.


    Option 3: Sell them both and buy something else!
    No Pros/ Cons here. I could maybe get a Motard, which can then double as a dirt bike…but then any Motard I bought would be cheap, uncompetitive and possibly prone to breaking down. I could maybe get a more suitable race bike, like a 750SS, or maybe a pre89 that could do double duties. Any suggestions?

    The thing for me is that I’ve come close to sorting the Monster, and it frustrates me to think that I might have to sell it before getting it right. All it needs is an Ohlins to make it handle- at the moment its obvious that its not right, because when I just sit in the seat and tour around it feels bloody awful. I’m quite attached to the thing, and it got me some good results in the 08 BEARS Winter Series (a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in the three classes I raced in…that would be because they banned Motards that year)

    There are other options of course, like mothballing the Monster for a while, but I think I’d have trouble justifying that. There are other issues as well, like the fact that I only ride motorbikes at race meetings- I find it difficult to jump on a bike and go hard out when I haven’t ridden at all since the last meeting 1 month or more ago.

    So what do you think? I’m interested to hear your opinion.
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    "There is an old man in your face daddy!"

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    Sell em all. Bikes are over rated anyway.

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    Can your FXR be road legal? Mine is a 'Commuting Bucket Racer' saves me heaps of $$. Though I also have a streetstock 150 as well.

    Bucket racing is fun and riding on the road is overated IMO but with the FXR you can always have fun without the added $$ and stress of speeding tickets. It's a "win win" situation!

    I am paying of a shit load of debt off myself ATM and have paid over $15,000 of it off in the past 3 years with only prob another couple of years I will be debt free if I can just swallow my pride and keep riding what I can afford. People mock me but bleh, what do they know!
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    Holy crap, you have put alot of thought into this. there is always the.. buy a dart board... put up your options...close your eyes.... do your best! . Seriously its head or heart stuff isnt it. Alot of us face or avoid the same thing. Head says sell up and wait till things settle down and the monies are in the bank, heart says sell the bucket and live hand to mouth, in the middle it is sell the duke have fun on the bucket and work your way back to a bigger bike when you can. I feel for you, alot of people are in your situation and alot of us are only a CEO's bad day away from it. Good luck with what ever you decide. Ken.
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    I'm biased but I say sell the Monster and do Buckets.

    Reason: it saves the most money.

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    Sell em both. Try something new. Get an Aprillia Super motard and still do bears as well!

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    Sell them both then get a perm.
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    Advertise both and let fate pick.Fate may choose both or one or none.Lets face it if you cant pick which way to go your stating you have no personal preference.If you do have a preference then you will do that no matter what we say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skunk View Post
    I'm biased but I say sell the Monster and do Buckets.

    Reason: it saves the most money.
    Same option I would go for

    With BEARS and MCC you can do at least a meeting a month plus still do the street meetings, ok the amount of racing you get to do in any given day is less but the cost is also substantially reduced

    With the money the rear shock and clutch kit will cost you can do about 10 years Bucket racing
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    The bucket would get you two sets of tires maybe?


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    Keep the Bucket, there is more prize money in FXR Racing series than most other classes.
    You already know the answer you are just hoping that heaps of deluded KBer are going to say keep the Monsta.
    How much does it cost every time u use the Monsta ? $300 $400?
    How much to run the bucket $60 or $75 including entry and transponger.
    The monster is the bike equivelent of a boat, a hole in the water where you throw money
    Keep the FXR Douglas

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    Thanks for the replys. Funnily enough, at times I completely agree with White Trash.

    Yes it is head and heart stuff, but there are some 'head' reasons for keeping the Monster; much more racing, can I get back what I've put in etc. However if it comes down to a choice between the Monster and not racing at all, its a no brainer.

    I kinda knew anyone from the bucket community would say "keep the bucket", but trust me it doesn't cost anything like $300 a round to race the monster! Yes it is significantly more expensive, but I get to race multiple classes so the cost has to be looked at from that point of view. The Monster has never had a mechanical breakdown of any kind (minor electrical faults yes), so all the money I have spent has been put towards consumables and developing the bike. Plus a while back I sold some of the spare bits off it on trademe and made enough money to buy a good bucket...

    At the moment I'm not particularly happy with the results I'm getting on the Monster, and I think ultimately it will come down to whether or not I can afford to actually finish the thing and make it competitive. Realistically I don't think I can, so its probably neither head nor heart. Just reality.
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    Well, I think if youre going to keep and race the Monster, you might as well keep the FXR as well. It costs nothing extra to race the bucket, and has no real running costs, $10 of fuel would last you 3 meets. You would gain more in race craft and have more fun at a race meet than the possible $1000 you might get for the FXR.
    The only option to save money is to sell the Monster and just race the bucket.
    Or sell the Monster and buy a Pre 89 400/600, for around $3000 maybe? Whats the Monster worth? $5000 maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gav View Post
    Well, I think if youre going to keep and race the Monster, you might as well keep the FXR as well. It costs nothing extra to race the bucket, and has no real running costs, $10 of fuel would last you 3 meets. You would gain more in race craft and have more fun at a race meet than the possible $1000 you might get for the FXR.
    The only option to save money is to sell the Monster and just race the bucket.
    Its hard to argue with that logic, but the bucket would go (along with some other stuff) to fund the bits for the monster
    Quote Originally Posted by gav View Post
    Or sell the Monster and buy a Pre 89 400/600, for around $3000 maybe? Whats the Monster worth? $5000 maybe?
    Yeah but then I have a 20+ year old bike that I'm thrashing, which will probably cost a fair bit to maintain and will still need suspension work.

    I can't help looking at some of the euro motards on Trademe...
    http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-228104394.htm
    http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-246098904.htm

    Is something like that going to be more trouble than its worth...and can I actually adapt to it and ride it??
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    Tony the choice is simple.

    Get a live-in girlfriend who is earning good coin to help support your addiction.

    There are many positives.

    Your wife will have someone to go shopping with and you can stay at home and work on your bikes

    You'll save on winter heating bills - go to bed early and snuggle up between the girls

    You'll have your own personal pit crew and a choice of 2 brolly-girls - most excellent in freaking out the competition on the grid - "shit he must be good, he has a brolly-girl"

    I could go on, but Mrs B is giving me the eye......

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