Barack Hussein Obama gets Nobel Peace Prize

[Mekk]

The failure to award it to Ghandi did for its cred a long, long time ago...awarding it to Gore and BHO just about complete the transition to "laughing stock"

Just looking at their site, I can see Joseph Stalin was nominated as well for his efforts to end WWII.

Gold.

[Elysium]

Just looking at their site, I can see Joseph Stalin was nominated as well for his efforts to end WWII.

Gold.

Oh yes it was hard work back then signing death warrants or consigning entire populations to starvation, No wonder Stalin was nominated.

[RavenR44]

Just looking at their site, I can see Joseph Stalin was nominated as well for his efforts to end WWII.

Gold.

Not sure of your point there, but it sounds like you don't accept that Stalin had a significant part in ending WW2, at least in Europe. That flies in the face of the reality of the extraordinary achievement of the Soviet forces in defeating the German forces. Sadly, the victory was at huge cost to the Soviet people. Doesn't diminish the enormity of the result though.

And arguably the Americans' hasty application of the atomic bomb on Japan was due in part to Stalin's intent to invade Manchukuo (Manchuria) and thence Kyushu. That atomic bombing in turn shortened the Pacific war by some months.

So you would have difficulty in disallowing a claim that Stalin's efforts to shorten WW2, as selfish as they were, were effective.

Not saying he deserved a peace prize for it or to be nominated for it though, given the vast numbers of his countrymen he condemned to death in achieving that result.

But I may have misconstrued your comment. It could be you already accept Stalin's role in shortening the war and you were questioning just the rationale for his being nominated for a peace prize, perhaps?

[wbks]

Not sure of your point there, but it sounds like you don't accept that Stalin had a significant part in ending WW2, at least in Europe. That flies in the face of the reality of the extraordinary achievement of the Soviet forces in defeating the German forces. Sadly, the victory was at huge cost to the Soviet people. Doesn't diminish the enormity of the result though.

And arguably the Americans' hasty application of the atomic bomb on Japan was due in part to Stalin's intent to invade Manchukuo (Manchuria) and thence Kyushu. That atomic bombing in turn shortened the Pacific war by some months.

So you would have difficulty in disallowing a claim that Stalin's efforts to shorten WW2, as selfish as they were, were effective.

Not saying he deserved a peace prize for it or to be nominated for it though, given the vast numbers of his countrymen he condemned to death in achieving that result.

But I may have misconstrued your comment. It could be you already accept Stalin's role in shortening the war and you were questioning just the rationale for his being nominated for a peace prize, perhaps?

Thanks for the history lesson, but I think he was getting at the fact that he was a monster, but they nominated him for the Nobel peace prize, so the prize doesn't actually mean fuck all

[Elysium]

Stalin helped shorten the war yes, well he had to make up for helping Germany early in the war didn't he?

[RavenR44]

Thanks for the history lesson, but I think he was getting at the fact that he was a monster, but they nominated him for the Nobel peace prize, so the prize doesn't actually mean fuck all

You're welcome.

[RavenR44]

Stalin helped shorten the war yes, well he had to make up for helping Germany early in the war didn't he?

I have a suspicion that self-preservation played more than a small part in Stalin's efforts. And as history records, Stalin was more into helping himself (to most of the old Soviet bloc countries for instance) than in helping other nations or peoples, so any assistance to Hitler would've been an unintended by-product, unwillingly provided.

But hey, we agree that shorten the war he did. All good. And that he was a murderous megalomaniac, no better than Hitler.

However, the Nobel Peace Prize has always been a crock, so by that that standard, BHO's 'win' has just as much credibility as any of the previous awards. Zip.

[Forest]

It's a shame that such a prestigious award has been allowed to lose credibility.

Yeah. Because the award lost none of its credibility when it was awarded to Henry Kissinger, Anwar Sadat, and Yasser Arafat.

[MisterD]

Thanks for the history lesson, but I think he was getting at the fact that he was a monster, but they nominated him for the Nobel peace prize, so the prize doesn't actually mean fuck all

Mind you, he did quite well on the "reduction of standing armies" bit didn't he? I'm not sure Nobel had the method of getting lots of soldiers killed in mind, but...

[Mekk]

Yeah. Because the award lost none of its credibility when it was awarded to Henry Kissinger, Anwar Sadat, and Yasser Arafat.

I meant that it's a shame the award was allowed to lose credibility at all, regardless of who caused it to do so.

But I may have misconstrued your comment. It could be you already accept Stalin's role in shortening the war and you were questioning just the rationale for his being nominated for a peace prize, perhaps?

Right.

[Street Gerbil]

Given the extent of obama's policy of winning hearts and minds of enemies (at expense of the friends and allies), I'd say the only person more deserving NPP than BHO, I know of, is Mr. Arthur Neville Chamberlain

[98tls]

Stalin helped shorten the war yes, well he had to make up for helping Germany early in the war didn't he?

Eh?The war would have been far shorter if he hadnt have been so paranoid leading up to it.

[98tls]

He is not a "black" president, he is simply the president. Ethnicity has fuck all to do with his position.

Well said.

,sounds like a Tui ad.

[Pedrostt500]

No he prefered Oral. opps farked that up was supposed to quote sumun

[Street Gerbil]

He is not a "black" president, he is simply the president. Ethnicity has fuck all to do with his position.

,sounds like a Tui ad.

Well, "the first black president" was Bill Clinton. Look up "presidential nicknames" in wikipedia.