Fork emulators?

**CookMySock** · 13th October 2009, 08:45

Originally Posted by The Stranger

The blind leading the blind and you get to sort the fuck ups on someone else’s bike first.
How convenient, an opportunity not to be missed indeed.

Nope, the offer to travel four hours and offer support (now withdrawn) was a genuine one. Even if I got to stand in someones workshop and watch would have been useful to me, and despite what you insinuate, I can be a useful person to have in the workshop.

Always a caustic derogatory remark from you, particularly toward those who are actually trying to achieve something. Take a look back through your own threads and notice that you don't actually do anything bike-related except take every opportunity to belittle others who are. It's a tragic and sad reflection on your angry life, isn't it?

Steve

**The Stranger:Me** · 13th October 2009, 10:57

Originally Posted by DangerousBastard

Always a caustic derogatory remark from you, particularly toward those who are actually trying to achieve something. Take a look back through your own threads and notice that you don't actually do anything bike-related except take every opportunity to belittle others who are. It's a tragic and sad reflection on your angry life, isn't it?

Steve

Damn, I'm so transparent, a sad angry selfish arsehole. I should be ashamed of myself - yet strangely I feel no remorse. Because post like that help make my miserable existence worthwhile as I know I'm making a positive difference in someone's life.

**Pussy** · 13th October 2009, 11:44

Fitting cartridge emulators ISN'T just a matter of throwing them in and forgetting about them. There is a lot more to it than meets the eye. Centering them properly, correct centistoke rating oil to achieve decent rebound characteristics etc. It's very possible to make the forks worse than they started out by incorrectly fitting emulators.
Send them to CKT and have the job done properly

**sil3nt** · 13th October 2009, 17:04

Such a happy bunch around here aren't we

I'll talk to some people see what it will cost to get it done then probably ignore everyones advice and fuck it up myself

Thanks for all the help ladies!

**gatch** · 13th October 2009, 21:08

Mr robert taylor if you are still watching this thread.. How do you machine the forks to ensure the emulators are concentric to the tubes ?

**The Stranger:Me** · 13th October 2009, 23:58

Originally Posted by sil3ntwar

then probably ignore everyones advice and fuck it up myself

Thank you. This is precisely the reason I shit stir rather than offer advice.

The correct answer of course is that your bike has the worst suspension ever put on a production motorcycle and the best way out of this is to sell it to some other poor unsuspecting schmuck.
But hey, I'm sure you enjoy pissing into the wind and who knows, DB is a helpful chap, perhaps he could hold it for you whilst you do.

**davebullet** · 14th October 2009, 07:08

Is it worthwhile? I'd contact Robert Taylor / PM him directly and ask him. Of all of us, he'd be the best person to tell you.. also tell you what else you need to consider (eg. his experience of how "true" the stock parks etc... are for the emulators to do their job properly).

I'm looking at the Ricor Intiminators myself. The don't make them for the Ninja / 250s... but the advantage is they don't need damper rod hole drilling.

Whether this works in practice, whether they have the longevity of the Race Techs... etc... who knows.

**davebullet** · 14th October 2009, 07:09

Originally Posted by Pussy

Fitting cartridge emulators ISN'T just a matter of throwing them in and forgetting about them. There is a lot more to it than meets the eye. Centering them properly, correct centistoke rating oil to achieve decent rebound characteristics etc. It's very possible to make the forks worse than they started out by incorrectly fitting emulators.
Send them to CKT and have the job done properly

Good point... if you don't know what you are doing (I'm in the same boat

) then what is the odds you will do it properly?

**Robert Taylor** · 14th October 2009, 08:58

Originally Posted by gatch

Mr robert taylor if you are still watching this thread.. How do you machine the forks to ensure the emulators are concentric to the tubes ?

Partly that is how I make a living....

**Robert Taylor** · 14th October 2009, 09:00

Originally Posted by davebullet

Is it worthwhile? I'd contact Robert Taylor / PM him directly and ask him. Of all of us, he'd be the best person to tell you.. also tell you what else you need to consider (eg. his experience of how "true" the stock parks etc... are for the emulators to do their job properly).

I'm looking at the Ricor Intiminators myself. The don't make them for the Ninja / 250s... but the advantage is they don't need damper rod hole drilling.

Whether this works in practice, whether they have the longevity of the Race Techs... etc... who knows.

How then do Ricor then get around the standard damping rod holes still offering a flow restriction at abrupt bump velocities?

**vifferman** · 14th October 2009, 09:03

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

How then do Ricor then get around the standard damping rod holes still offering a flow restriction at abrupt bump velocities?

Oooh! Oooh!!
I love riddles.

Wait... this is one of the rhododendrons? Carborundums?

Conundrums - that's it. One of the lesser known members of the percussion family.

**davebullet** · 14th October 2009, 10:06

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

How then do Ricor then get around the standard damping rod holes still offering a flow restriction at abrupt bump velocities?

The only answer they seem to have is low viscosity oil (5w) - make it flow through the smaller holes quicker. I'm sure this would cause problems in other aspects. Is there such as term as "over rebounding " etc... Sorry I am a suspension newbie.

**vifferman** · 14th October 2009, 10:13

Originally Posted by davebullet

The only answer they seem to have is low viscosity oil (5w) - make it flow through the smaller holes quicker. I'm sure this would cause problems in other aspects. Is there such as term as "over rebounding " etc... Sorry I am a suspension newbie.

Oh - you're talking about snake oil, which is actually in contravention of the Trades Description Act, as it's actually BabyLesbianAfghaniFurSealPenguinWhaleOil.

But I don't think that's the answer.
No. "EHHH!!" WorngA.
If it was, Dr Taylor would've known that, as he sells it under the Ohlins brand, for around $51/litre.
Unless, of course, it was one of those hypothetical questions, posed by the goodly Dr Taylor just to see if we were paying proper attention...

**Pussy** · 14th October 2009, 10:21

Originally Posted by davebullet

Is there such as term as "over rebounding " etc... Sorry I am a suspension newbie.

Yes there is! If the rebound speed is too slow, the forks end up "packing down" over a series of bumps. Can lead to over steer and the front tucking... and generally feels like shite.
Although it adds about $320.00 or so to the cost, I would recommend using Traxxion Dynamics modified damper rods in conjunction with Racetech emulators... they are machined items (read: made to close tolerances), and quite honestly, when set up correctly, make the SV650 forks perform VERY nicely. Much better than modifying the stock jobbies