Racetrack flags and their meaning

[MSTRS:Me]

There is a size requirement which suggests to me that those really big black felt pens would be needed -

I doubt that any of those pens would write a line that was thick enough to be seen at a distance and at speed...

OR a really nice kind sighnwrighter could make up 6 sets of 3 numbers 1-0 -30 numbers per marshal point. Ive seen em used elsewhere-its a simple flip board -3 numbers wide white background black numbers and you flip to the number needed.
Ie-the board is initially a blank 500mm wide by 300mm high sheet with 3 stacks of numbers hung on the back so you just flip over to the number needed.
the thing is it needs to be quickly used and useable in all conditions.
Actually mstrs once again money where mouth is YOU make em I will pay for em. PROVIDED they are available for all clubs to use -

But this is different...I see where you are going with that. It could work. And I'd be very happy to do a deal....

[Skunk]

End of last year's Vic series, I did a full set of numbers for Grubb (RIP) to use at the S/F line. 3 of every # 0-9. They were stuck onto card that slotted into channels on the pit board. Just imagine the logistics of trying to issue and keep track of that for every flag point?

Yep, we still use them when we can...

But if it's not in the rule book?

I was meaning that requirement for numbers on the bike. No-one seems to follow those rules.

[FROSTY:Me]

er... if you're racing with me and I'm slow, then dude, that makes you slow too!!!!

Flip over number thingies - what colour??????

Oh I love going around in circles with you Kick!! That's why I enjoy racing with you!!

sUPLIMENTARY REGULATION 6.8.23.B ALL SIDECAR SWINGERS TO HAVE COMPUSARY UPPER ARM MUSCLE AND EYESIGHT TESTING
crikey thats a new one

[scrivy]

I've said it before, at the end of the day, too much information for riders to remember will only make them apathetic or choose not to remember the rules.

A simple yellow flag waved already means to riders of sidecars to also check your passengers.
Why not add one freaking line to the rule: Upon seeing a waved yellow flag, slow down, proceed with extreme caution and check your machine - as you may be the reason for the waved yellow flag!! If you are leaking fluids, pull over to a safe place immediately!

Why are some people so hell bent on making every club spend more money on equipment that I believe will not help the situation, even if there is a major shakeup of the rules for all, from grass roots, to top level. You will also still get munters riding around the full circuit discharging fluids etc. Yellow flags are at all posts now. Everyone looks at them now. Just add an extra line to the rule, and hey presto, the leaky bike syndrome around the circuit should disappear!!

[FROSTY:Me]

Yep, we still use them when we can...

I was meaning that requirement for numbers on the bike. No-one seems to follow those rules.

Thats something different again. You are 100% correct re numbers on bikes. This is just ANOTHER twist on matters. The argument was of course that the numbers arent needed so much as their primary purpose was for lap scoreng.(now scoring done by transponders) Its also so marshals can read the number and--go figure wave the guy off the track.
But that then opens yet ANOTHER can o worms -- Teck inspection.
Clubs are not doing the tech inspection (scrutineering) where this should be picked up.

Hey Im not saying be total hitlers about it but theres a reason for the numbers being of a set size -so they can be read
Also are clubs running a seperate riders brief for novice riders after the main briefing?-making sure they know whats going on and flags etc.

[scrivy]

I'll add a supplementary rule in for my meeting regarding the waved yellow if I have to. I will not use a red flag, as this will cause unnecessary carnage (you know it will) and just add to a decreased time on the track for everyone with restarts etc.
Even on here we can't decide about sizes and colours for the black flag number board. So why not just use a waved yellow with more meanings?

[scrivy]

Also are clubs running a seperate riders brief for novice riders after the main briefing?

What about riders who haven't been on the track for over 10 years? They too need to come up to speed.

Our free to all licencing system is severely flawed - we all know it!!

Unfortunately, it will not change in the near future.

[FROSTY:Me]

I've said it before, at the end of the day, too much information for riders to remember will only make them apathetic or choose not to remember the rules.
Why are some people so hell bent on making every club spend more money on equipment that I believe will not help the situation, even if there is a major shakeup of the rules for all, from grass roots, to top level. You will also still get munters riding around the full circuit discharging fluids etc.

Ive said it before--if my 6 year old can understand the meaning of most of the flags CURRENTLY AVAILABLE then if you don't have that much brains ya shouldn't be on the track.
aND INSISTING CLUBS BUY EQUIPMENT--ITS EQUIPMENT THEY ARE ALREADY SOPOSED TO HAVE

[scrivy]

Ive said it before--if my 6 year old can understand the meaning of most of the flags CURRENTLY AVAILABLE then if you don't have that much brains ya shouldn't be on the track.
aND INSISTING CLUBS BUY EQUIPMENT--ITS EQUIPMENT THEY ARE ALREADY SOPOSED TO HAVE

You are dead right Frosty. Clubs should have a black flag. But only 1 is needed at the start/finish, not at all posts.

As for knowing their meanings, hell, even at the last 2 meetings I've been to, the stewards told everyone at riders briefing what the flags mean!! Why the heck should he have to do that????? I mean really, you MUST KNOW THEM for your bloody licence!!

If it wasn't so important, it would be laughable!!
Maybe they should bring in severe fines for idiots that break the simple rules?

I think we are all at fault for allowing people to race if they do not know/abide by the rules.
Really, do you think Rossi, Haga, Spies etc fail to know the rules? I doubt it.

[FROSTY:Me]

What about riders who haven't been on the track for over 10 years? They too need to come up to speed.
Our free to all licencing system is severely flawed - we all know it!!

Speaking for myself I concidered myself a newbee racer last time I got back into it.

[scrivy]

Speaking for myself I concidered myself a newbee racer last time I got back into it.

I left the sport for 4 years, got back into it, and read the rulebook from front to back just incase there were any changes!

[FROSTY:Me]

I left the sport for 4 years, got back into it, and read the rulebook from front to back just incase there were any changes!

yep well you n I are old school. I GENUINENLY feel that its just that the new generation riders and club officials diddn't realise/havent been educated.
But ya know if you ignore all the machine spec stuff thats cluttered up the rule book its not that complicated.