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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    The current motorcycle levies cover less than 22% of the full cost of motorcycle injuries. Other Motor Vehicle levies pay for the rest of the cost.

    On 2016 figures, ACC was charging motorcyclists $27 million. Other vehicle owners will cross-subsidise motorcycle owners by $87 million.
    Is the ACC levy on petrol included in that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaferRides View Post
    Is the ACC levy on petrol included in that?
    Yes. It comes from two places, the fuel levy and the licensing levy.

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    "Injuries sustained while playing rugby union led all other sports, with medical costs and income support totalling more than $71.8 million during the 2017/18 financial year.

    The payouts covered 64,024 new and active ACC claims made for rugby union injuries during the 12-month period."

    Why is it OK that we all pay for those who choose to purposefully bash themselves to bits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Sichoe View Post
    "Injuries sustained while playing rugby union led all other sports, with medical costs and income support totalling more than $71.8 million during the 2017/18 financial year.

    The payouts covered 64,024 new and active ACC claims made for rugby union injuries during the 12-month period."

    Why is it OK that we all pay for those who choose to purposefully bash themselves to bits.
    Same for cyclists I believe. These claims are paid from the general account which is funded by taxpayer and employer levies.

    There are no doubt a wide range of opinions on whether the current system is fair. But I can't see the present or future governments wanting to make changes.

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    ACC levy against Drivers MC License renewal - not against bike rego.

    Means you only pay once for multiple bikes.

    If your mate borrows the bike, he's going to have his license, right? so he pays the acc component which covers his own ass.

    Would also weed out those who retain their license for many years without riding jump on a new bike and fly into the closest immovable object as they would probably not renew a license which costs them 400+ a year unless they were actually using it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Sichoe View Post
    ACC levy against Drivers MC License renewal - not against bike rego.

    Means you only pay once for multiple bikes.

    If your mate borrows the bike, he's going to have his license, right? so he pays the acc component which covers his own ass.

    Would also weed out those who retain their license for many years without riding jump on a new bike and fly into the closest immovable object as they would probably not renew a license which costs them 400+ a year unless they were actually using it.

    Vote Psycho 2020
    A guy gets his bike licence, and a short time later decides riding a bike is not for him.

    But he still has a licence.

    So should he have to pay the levy you suggest?

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    Well yeah, for a year, then he decides this isnt for him and doesnt complete his yearly online registration (and saves 400 but drops his mc endorsement)

    If he decides in 5 years or 10 years etc to pick it up again he needs to complete a bronze cbta cert thing whatever its called and start paying 400 annually again to keep the mc endorsement.

    Weed out the people who are most at risk (returning riders) and fairly apply the acc levy across the user base instead of being based on motorcycle ownership.

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    Yes to Rastas question. Why not.
    If your keen you will stump up the cost, even if iys for a year.

    Places license endorsement on hold.
    similar to rego on hold

    pay as you go per month?

    What happens to bike hire (or service/sales)company whose owner doesn't have a bike license

    updates available via web, app etc.

    terminology wrong above.

    I suppose a similar question to Rastas above would be for the international tourist. Who hires a bike, rides around the country then leaves. Or purchases a bike privately then sells it as they leave or dumps it at the airport.
    Last edited by eldog; 12th December 2019 at 21:28. Reason: Throwing ideas around

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    An interesting comparison is the green slip scheme in NSW. This provides personal accident cover and compulsory 3rd party insurance.

    It would cost about $400 per year based on my current motorcycle ownership and personal info.

    Interestingly, they have 5 categories for engine size with the largest being 1325 cc and over. Perhaps something ACC could consider.

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    GST is the only fair way to do ACC

    Everyone pays, everyone gets
    Horse riders, cyclist, rugby players are then all contributing to the ACC they may need. Motor vehicles continue to pay but now through "hidden costs" including now offroad vehicles that previously would escape the ACC fees.
    Everything you buy would contribute to ACC from 10c lollies to million dollar super yachts, everyone would pay from the 5yr old buying their 10c lollies to the 95yr old buying food or power
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    Quote Originally Posted by eldog View Post
    I suppose a similar question to Rastas above would be for the international tourist. Who hires a bike, rides around the country then leaves. Or purchases a bike privately then sells it as they leave or dumps it at the airport.
    They should pay even more to subsidise OUR injuries.

    Charge em $1000 for a NZ MC License for a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Sichoe View Post
    They should pay even more to subsidise OUR injuries.
    Big assumption there to think they are worse riders than us. I'd peg it the other way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berries View Post
    Big assumption there to think they are worse riders than us. I'd peg it the other way.
    I never said that, I said I wanted their sweet international cash to pay for our accidents.

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    Warning to kiwi bikers... Stand up be kiwi

    Hi All
    I am new to kiwi biker. I have recently been pulled over by our lovely local cop John Hamilton in Christchurch He pulled me over for the wrong number plate Your driving is fine and you are not speeding (9am new years day on highway 1 outside Kaiapoi) Photo taken of rear of Motorcycle Photo taken of side of Motorcycle. and Im on my way....
    Week later in the mail...
    20 points $50 fine None issue NZTA Number plate
    25 points $50 fine for noise pollution

    Number Plate (It is side mounted raised black lettering white reflected background) This is the requirement of a NZ number plate BUT this is not NZTA Issued so 20 point $50 fine what the hell it has passed WOF for 15 years with this number plate.... ok new rules?????

    Noise pollution... from a photo Yes that right there is NO decibel reading needed by law in NZ It is up to the policeman to determine if he thinks anything is loud. He can pull over anyone he likes Cars Trucks Motorbikes any road vehicle at all. Take a photo and send you a ticket for Noise pollution and you will lose in court. Because its the law....
    The same police man can also make the same judgement on your speed he does not need a radar reading to give you a ticket. It is up to he's discretion and his 20 years experience on wether you were speeding or not..... THIS IS LAW
    HOW CAN THIS BE???????
    STAND UP BE KIWI
    how do we make a stand against this kind of law???? how can this be LAW

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