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    Charles G Lamb Head of Australaisan Insititute of Motorcycle Studies

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    Academic and Professional Background

    Head of Marketing Group
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    Consultant for a wide range of organisation in the public and private sector
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    Researcher in all aspects of motorcycling and motorcyclist behaviour.

    "Criticises Motorcycle Levy Logic."

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    Well look at that!

    Still working on my submission, but here is another interesting fact I have uncovered. Based on ACC statistics from 2007-2008, the average claim for a motor vehicle injury driver/passenger of a care is $3500 more than the average claim for a motorcycle accident related injury.

    Driver/Passenger car
    New claims - 3456
    Active claims - 8528
    Total claims - 11984
    Cost - $208,305,000
    Average cost per claim = $17,382

    Rider/pillion motorcycle
    New claims - 1336
    Active claims - 3173
    Total claims - 4509
    Cost $62,523,000
    Average cost per claim $13,866

    This information is from their Motor Vehicle Account stats (http://www.acc.co.nz/about-acc/stati...ount/is0800143). Also in this category are pedestrians involved in MVAs = 437 and cyclists involved in MVAs = 289, who are all covered by funds from petrol and registration levies!

    Also, a quote from the ACC website also makes their proposed levy hikes seem just a little inconsistent - “Everyone in New Zealand has 24-hour, seven-day-a-week, no-fault comprehensive injury cover through ACC.”

    Once again, go figure - what is ACC on?

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    Article about ACC crisis being a myth

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    What about other ways to address the issue, rather than a blunt - let's put the costs up for the current generation who are easy to target, to meet higher costs of treatment, historic underfunding, a temporary loss of value on investment caused by worldwide financial market changes etc.

    And what is with targeting pretty much anyone who has their full license with a huge fee - how many peoples' 2nd and later motorcycles are under 601cc... so if you have experience you have to pay more? Crazy.

    Other ideas
    - assess whether sharply increased treatment costs can be addressed (more supply of providers, other?)
    - use fuel tax to offset some of the ACC costs, given that riding 2-wheel transport reduces congestion and indirectly contibutes to keeping roading costs down
    - more education on how to drive and ride safely
    - test during relicensing every 5 or 10 years for all drivers and riders, testing things like awareness, indicating before turning/switching lanes (without using the 1/2 second/indicate as I move rule), penalising the car drivers if they go slow then speed up if someone is overtaking or they get to a straight etc - and for riders to ensure they have a refresher if they haven't ridden for years before jumping on a flash 1000cc model that they can now afford - tests could be foregone by doing approved advanced driving courses that actually involve driving/riding.
    - levy on alcohol to cover those accidents (not just road ones) it is a factor in.
    - sports, cyclists, etc also targeted...

    Also, I want better info on the stats. What number of bikes there are in different categories, not such bloody broad categories, and how many are in accidents, what license time and type is involved, recent experience of riders involved, cost of accidents in relation to fault of motorcyclist, number of the 58% of accidents where motorcyclist has some/main blame that are in each category and so on. I suspect that a much higher proportion of those where there is some rider blame are in the sub-250cc class, so that weighting for bigger bikes would be totally unfair especially if the cases with high treatment costs are mostly caused by other road users for big bikes.

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    A valuable resource...

    Quote Originally Posted by T.G.W View Post
    pssst, I don't mean to be rude but this is a resource thread
    If you visit http://www.bikersagainstacc.org.nz there is heaps of info, and within the next 24 hours or so (the web designer has a full time job as well) there will be tools to make it easy to submissions, sample emails you can send to your MP, posters and flyersyou can print out etc.

    It's organised by PRISM (Promoting Responsibility in Safe Motorcycling), a group of well known and well regarded motorcyclists.

    They are in the process of securing support from some very well known (household name) Kiwis who are passionate motorcyclists and the national spokesman will be someone we all know of. The team includes professional web designers, professional marketing and public relations people and academics. They have access to a wealth of information and data, including stuff that isn't normally available to the general public and relationships with the media. They also have an in to both the politicial circles and ACC, so part of their strategy is also to work from within.

    They have been talking to, and have the support of the various importers and industry groups, and are working with non-motorcycle groups who will be keen to align with and support us.

    They are meeting daily to develop a well researched and professional strategy for bikers to participate in influencing change, including making it easy to make submissions, lobby your MP and organise a series of national protest rides and media events. They are very keen to focus the energy and passion this event has triggered to stop the levies, but also to use the momentum to put in place a national and credible motorcycle interest lobby group.

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    My submission. Perhaps some of it can be used by others (in your own words though...cut'n'paste subs get lumped as one)
    Motorcyclists won't take the proposed increases quietly. We do not believe that the ACC no fault system should target specific groups when it comes to vehicle-based levies. Job-type employment levies might be one thing, but as an organisation, ACC does not levy sports and recreation based on risk potentials. As always, the many subsidise the few. The founding ethos of ACC. But now...?

    Claims that car-based levies 'subsidise' bike-based levies? Not so, when you take in the accident-caused-by stats.
    Near 50% of motorcyclists injuries are not caused by the riders themselves, yet the levy hike appears based on the presumption that fault lies with the motorcyclist entirely.
    The approx 100,000 registered motorcycles/mopeds do not equate to the same number of owners because of multiple ownership, and there are over 400,000 people with Class 6 licences...most of them also hold a Class 1 licence. So we 'subsidise' ourselves too. Plus, for many of us, our motorcycles are our recreation. We don't see horse riders/skateboarders/mountain climbers/cyclists being charged for their leisure pursuit.

    As for bigger cc bikes being 'more dangerous'...I call bullshit to that. Size has nothing to do with rider injury. Personally, I have ridden 600cc+ bikes for some 35 years without accident or injury, and this class of machine is no different to small/er bikes in terms of injury-risk to a rider. Nor are these bigger machines necessarily faster than small bikes, when it comes to speed-related accident/injury. Legally, the fastest we can travel on any road is 100kph, and there are few bikes that can't attain this speed. In terms of potential speeds, there are 1000cc+ bikes that struggle to reach 180kph, but there are 250cc bikes that can surpass 220kph. The biggest factor is the rider him/herself when it comes to rider fault in an injury accident, and indeed it is also the rider's skill and roadcraft (or otherwise) that determines whether we are the victim of a car driver's inattention.

    Either leave the system alone as no-fault, and everybody pays the same with the same entitlements, or if it's to be User Pays like insurance, then look at: -
    1. Licence-based levies, with each class attracting its own amount, BUT only the highest levy applied in the case of muliple-class holders. This leads to the idea of rebates for those who have an accident/injury free record. And penalties for those who have many injury-causing accidents.
    2. Mileage-based levies, rather like RUCs for diesel vehicles. Each kilometre travelled attracts x amount of risk-exposure, so levy according to mileage.
    3. Fuel-based levies, paid at the pump. Fuel-hungry vehicles (like those horrible SUVs) will become less desireable, so the environment will benefit too.
    4. Levy anyone who potentially has use of the road levy fund. Like cyclists. Or pedestrians.
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Some FAQ's relative to questions asked in the forums.

    ACC Link Read More here on proposed Levy Increase Motorist FAQ's

    Addressing questions such as:

    Why transfer mopeds to the motorcycle class?

    What is the true relativity between mopeds or motorcycles and passenger vehicles

    Why do motorists have to pay levies? The levies cover:

    Why has the average motor vehicle levy increased?

    Why has the motor vehicle levy for pre-1999 claims increased?

    How can ACC charge a different levy for different vehicles when ACC is a no-fault Scheme?

    What is ACC doing to reduce injuries to road users?

    If I own two cars why do I have to pay two ACC levies?
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    http://www.southernrider.co.nz/ACC

    Some info and ideas, similar to all the rest with a few more calculations. ( Still doing some calculations and research)

    It will be the basis of Southern Riders submission in the next week or so...

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    sign the online petition everyone

    sign the online petition everyone

    the links is at the bottom right of the page !!

    www.nothanks.co.nr

    spread the word !! cant let these crazy acc levys happen !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ View Post
    http://www.southernrider.co.nz/ACC

    Some info and ideas, similar to all the rest with a few more calculations. ( Still doing some calculations and research)

    It will be the basis of Southern Riders submission in the next week or so...
    If you need any data, resources, material etc, contact us www.bikersagainstacc.org.nz. We have huge resources including information that is not generally available, we also have access to economists, researchers etc
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    Rely from AA regarding ACC

    Posted in my own blog thingy but sure how to start a new one..

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    Hey Team

    This afternoon I had a reply from an senior individual in Motoring Policy and Advocacy at AA in responce to my request, 'What is the AA stance on the proposed ACC levy increase for motorcyclists'.

    I have removed the names to protect his privacy. I have directly copied and pasted his reply into an MS Word document (unchanged) and attached his below.

    Make up your own mind where they stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rustic101 View Post
    Posted in my own blog thingy but sure how to start a new one..

    ......

    Hey Team

    This afternoon I had a reply from an senior individual in Motoring Policy and Advocacy at AA in responce to my request, 'What is the AA stance on the proposed ACC levy increase for motorcyclists'.

    Make up your own mind where they stand.

    That actually makes interesting reading, but unfortunatly looks like a very similar reply to the one received by Reckless over on this thread, apart from the introduction to the information.
    http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...d.php?t=110457
    So it looks like the AA are prepared to use a type of Form letter in reply to any inquires we make to them.
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    Some of you might like this.
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